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Let the crying begin!!!!

Museum Mutters is a New Artist? Wow, who knew that you could be around for well over a year and be considered a new artist.

Gives me hope. Maybe Javier Mendoza will get nominated next year!

I guess associations with Vintage Vinyl and the Blue Bird make you instantly more credible for an award too!

God I love my cow town!

don't forget, the "year" for these nominations is last april through now -- because the ballot came out this week last year, meaning that anything/any band who arrived after that is eligible. kinda like the Grammys, only not as extreme.

For all the inevitable bitching I am sure will soon come, I gotta say that St. louis has some great bands playing around right now. Anyone who says otherwise just isn't paying attention. Or is a troll.

Hey Payne-onymous, you forgot KDHX in your list of conspirators. You're slippin', dude!

"payne-onymous." love it.

man-goo.

It's amazing to me that someone could think that working at VV, a bar or a radio station would think that that gives you a leg up, like it never occurred to them that there just might be a strong correlation between having any of those jobs and being in a band that gets nominated for an award.

Some that is passionate about music is likely to be in a band. Someone that is passionate about music is likely to work at a record store, music club and radio station.... just like in every city.

Shit. I forgot to nominate Shattermask, for everything.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MONKEYCHEWS MONKEYCHEWS MONKEYCHEWS!!!

COME WITH ME TO THE LAND OF THE MARMATAR

The Monads CD wasn't self-released. It's on Big Muddy Records (a local label). Also, what was the deadline for releases? The Monads CD didn't come out until AFTER you sent out the nomination emails, which is why I voted for Left Arm's CD for best album on a label (obviously didn't make the cut even though it got a great review in the RFT) and the 75s for self-released CD (ditto).

Go figure.

BWahahahah! WBABWHAHAWHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAaaaaaa.

Argh! Bargh! Byargh! M'largh!

Come to the Sick Rabbits show Friday @ 2 Cents Plain and see a frankenstein version of the Sex Robots slice and dice all up over Sex Robots t00nz!

BWAHAHWAHHAHAHAHHHAHAA.

Nice to see the Scrubs gettin' some L O V E.

Jes' about my fav. band in town, now don't have them play opposite us at some klub far away down Delmars, as I wanna sees 'em!

-wjjwjwjw

i haven't been sleeping. of course the Monads CD came out on Big Muddy. i just wrote about that. duh. i'll make a correction and move it to the proper category, and make sure the print edition has a correction appended tomorrow.

otherwise, there's no conspiracy about anything. so i don't even want to hear about it.

Yeah there are some amazing groups in town. Some that don't even get so much as a whiff in our local rag. There are also alot of scene politics.

If the powers that be in the local music media were fair and unbiased, there wouldn't be bitching every time you see someone's 'pet bands' get nominated for awards.

I can think off the top of my head, of several bands that weren't on this roster that at least in my opinion are more original and creative, and making a buzz around town.

But apparently that buzz doesn't put batteries in the RFT's personal massager.

There's a good music scene here, it's just rarely represented on paper, and my gripe is with all of that.

In closing endorsement, go see any of these acts, and you might be surprised and say to yourself 'why aren't they in the local press?'

Princeton
Love and a Sidearm
Pat Sajak Assassins
PFIC
Fire Dog
Paul Bearer and the Coffin Kings
Hated Nixon
King Thief
Postcard
The Orbz
Sex Robots
Bitch Slap Barbie
The Ultraviolents
Speedball

I think people also need to remember that all these bands did work hard at what they were doing. Just because my band or any other band did not get nominated does not mean anything to severe. Just try harder, and let the chips fall where they may. I FORGET WHEN MUSICIANS STARTED TO CARE WHETHER OR NOT THEY GOt NOMINATED. Congrats, and for those that did not get nominated (such as my own) better luck next year. Just keep making good music and all will well.

this shit is going to be bigger than ear rainbows!

to Anonymous -- who has now posted three times on this thread, same IP address:

say what you want to say to my face using your real name, and then we'll talk.

Joe Payne likes my band?

My life is suddenly worth living again!

I will gladly give up our showcase slot for the Sex Robots, yo. But come on. Srsly. Try the veal. King Thief? *Really?* Dude, read this:

"Their songs are a requiem for discerning music lovers. King Thief (formerly known as Ultra Blue), the unassuming quintet from the cobblestone streets of St. Louis, is the harbinger of a burgeoning new sound: pop cabaret. Fusing together sonic bits of new wave, punk, rock, pop, classical, and smartly wrapping it up with a sincere thespian's flair, King Thief is poised to expand their success on a national level."

"While King Thief is onstage the floor before them is a forest of arms, fists pumping like pistons to their infectious rhythms, voices singing along with that of Brooks Bracken, King Thief's dynamic impresario. A self taught pianist and jack-of-all-trades musician, Bracken pens the group's lyrics. He left his place at the keys to interact with the group's audience; longtime pal Nevada Alpine Kent (truly his name) assumed the job; "Al" has also incorporated organ and lush vocal harmonies. Louis Wall, King Thief's classically trained percussionist who did a stint in a youth orchestra, lays solid beats on drums; together he and bassist Jon Hill create a formidable rhythm section. Guitarist Sam Hill completes the group with his inovative playing style that is more about sweeping melodies and textures than traditional rock riffs, though he doesn't shy away from them when it is tasteful.

King Thief's music is a dramatic play upon rock, less pretentious than the 70s operas, less formulaic than their pop compatriots. If ever there was a group to merit hype, they are it."

I MEAN WOW. WOW. WOW.

I'm sure they're all nice dudes (hell, mebbe dey ain't, I dunno), but yikes.

And let the RFT award smack-talkin' commence!

Has it been a whole year already?! I needed some damn-hell-ass drama up in this piece.

PEACE.

etc.

Trythevealsrslytrythemfnvealmfrs.

-jw

Ummm, Sex Robots ARE nominated. Best Pop Band.

Other than that, more smack-talk, more smack-talk, more more more!

i like pizza.

yo momma likes pizza.

I've always thought King Thief would get more press. They are a good band, not everyone's favorite genre.

Anyway representing a very peaceful commenter I'd like to say I'm always surprised that they stay out of the press with all the people they bring out to their shows.

I know they are older, did they used to get a lot of press?

well, i work at v.v. and i got nada, zero, zip, zilch, nothing....

tony

http://www.myspace.com/learnartist

http://www.myspace.com/poisonratr

http://www.myspace.com/asnagarm

Honestly...it would have been good to see Tape Deck Sonata get nominated. Those guys are so nice and they deserve it!!!! (NO I WAS NOT PAID TO SAY THAT)

Damn...

I was hoping to get best vocalist so that I can write a nice letter to the RFT stating how much they suck and why I don't want to be on the ballot anymore.

Maybe next year.

Congrats peeps!

Ow! Snap! Syrhea out of nowhere knocks one out of the park!

mangomangomango, man, go!

you can find me sailing upon this beary wave..

claw! claw! claw!!!

Like most comment sections, the people posting on here SUCK. GET A FUCKING LIFE!

Shit, I was meaning to suggest to you sooner...
New Category..
Best Band that Tim Sullivan is in-
The Round-Ups
The Red Headed Strangers
Racketbox
Bejeezus
The Dock Ellis Band
Walkie Talkie USA
Bravo Company
The Stag Nite All Stars

I know there's gotta be more, that's only 8, I could have sworn it was 10.

Wait, never mind. I don't think any of these guys ever play the bluebird... BAM!!!! (couldn't help it, sorry everybody)

mango italiano

aw snap

Ooooo JvEEEGAA$$$!!! Welcome to the phun timez!

What's a guy gotta do to get Tim Sullivan to play with him? Can't be that hard, right?

-mango mango italiano mango ind33d!

Guinness and Zatarain's is the his kryptonite.

mungo jerry

...33 comments before the infamous Joe Payne chimes in. BTW, I am not 'Anonymous' from the early posts, have i ever named of bands like that?...uh NO. I do suspect that that person, like me, is in the so called scene. I actually suspect i know who it is and for the record he speaks the truth. this shitty local scene is full of cliques (See the RFT, Bluebird, etc.) if you dont kiss ass you dont get coverage, or shows...then again based on the number of ppl that turn out based on the RFT..it's nothing to write home about.

People... music is about taste and some are definitely better than others but i sure that the bands mentioned on Anonymous' list..work just as hard, have loyal fans, are as musically talented and deserve the recognition that the RFT buddy system bands do. The just arent scene hobnobbing at the entrance at the bluebird!

Lets just all agree to call this what it is - BULLSHIT.

JP (the real JP) for A to Z

JP's 2008 RFT Music Category

Best RFT Ass Kissing Band

1. The Bureau
2. So Many Dynamos
3. Riddle of Steel
4. Berlin Panther, Say Whale and that other band that plays with them Jumbling Forest
5. Gentleman Auction House/Hibernauts
6...that god awful Victoria (
7. 7 Shit Screamers

Be sure to cast your votes, this one is gonna be close and every vote counts!

where is the entrance to the bluebird? been trying to find it for months.

The "Scene", hmmm. I read a lot about it in the St Louis Stroke ragazine while taking very short shits. There was even an article telling St. Louis Musicians to unite. They unite every damn nite on South Grand. You can book a show, find a drummer, fight your ex-singer, etc. all in the two o'clock hour on that slippery strip.
Fuck a bunch of "reinventing the Scene" bullshit. It's like the boy who cried "hip", no one is gonna listen to him anymore when he does figure it out.

PS another TS band is The Zombozo Band, that's 9!

magoo

WTF?! LOL!

How many times do I have to suck the cocks of Mario, Hamish and James to get That's My Daughter, Tight Pants Syndrome, Rocket Park and Book of Lies nominated?

Apparently I need to pull on some bigger udders in this cow town, 'cuz none of my favorite shit (except all my favorite shit) got selected.

Sex Robots = "pop"? Maybe if you're talkin' about poppin' yo mamma's cherry? Those dill-rods aint pop. They're just Monkey-chewin' poop.

Nagy hate everybody.

JV$, hip me up...wtf is "South Grand?"

Ahhhh the dee-lew-zhuns of south grand-yoooor.

Ooph! Who's comin' to John Henry & the Engine @ VV tonight 8 p.m.? Srsly. DERVEALBETRYINIT, YOEZ.

-wjwjwjwjwjwwwjw.

Eww. I aint blowin' James any more. I told him not to hip hop in my mouth or on my face and he did both and laughed.

Sorry nagy, That's My Daughter didn't get nominated cause there is no "Best Band in St. Louis" category or "Prettiest Band" or "Gayest Band". We can only keep our fingers crossed for next year.

Damn Syrhea! Felt that slap all the way on Olive - and hey I was asking for it. I's pissed at the theater department for the Zombozo review - Timmy Sullivan deserves better!

Wasn't he almost in the Outlaw Family Band too?

[disclaimer: I'm being silly. Rhetoric that bears any resemblance to hostility or smugness is fictitious. Irene Allen, her maker Irene Jones, and her parent company Global Chemical Unlimited are absolved from liability should feelings be hurt. If feelings are hurt, Tim Sullivan should be contacted immediately. He can be found everywhere that's anywhere.]

I dunno Sarah, there's some pretty heavy competition for "gayest"

heylordymamamamagetup&go! RumDrumRamblers at Atomic Cowboy tomorrow (Wed 9th) nite 11p-3a to see if yer vote counts! $1 pbr & stompin' blues. You'll be speakin' that hobo language before you know it. . .

Don't know if this technically counts or not, since they're sort of defunct but band #10 would have to be the Cripplers. They did play at least one show in the last year.

Oh man, J-Veggie, I am so stealing the phrase "The boy who cried 'hip'".

And Joe Payne speaks the truth aboot at least one thing there. He's never put his money where his moneymaker is and named a single St Louis band he likes. I'm sorry, Payne-onymous, I'll never doubt you again.

And Nagy, you're cute.

And awaaaaaaaay, we mango-o-o-o-o-o-o-!

Sullivan hasn't played with The Cripplers in years. He was replaced by a guy named Butch, who asked The Gore Gore Girls this immortal question when The Cripplers opened for them a few years ago:

"Which one of you ladies is looking for some dick tonight!?!"

(And people wonder by bands skip right over our fair town...")

:)

While we're pimpin' shows, there's a couple of dandies this weekend.

Slunt, Gaydar by Vocoders and Joan Rivers Comedy Explosion are playing the Side Door.

and

3/4 Korean, Popcorn Confessional and Blew Cornographers are playing the Rocket Bar.

Waaaaaaa! Waaaaaa! I'm old and I only like old things! Waaaaaa! I wanna be in the gayest, cutest best band! Waaaa, I wanna hear more Sparks covers!

I've never kissed Annie Zaleski's ass. Frankly my lips just aren't big enough.

In a way that nothing else ever could, *this* actually makes me miss working at Ye Olde Vinyl Veneers. Please make my year and tell me there's really a band called Gaydar by Vocoders. Sounds like a job for...Team Renner!

I really really hope we lose to say panther this year. Seriously.

is it time for the showcase yet?

and for the record, i live by the ludacris creed: "I'm kinda concerned you'll be causin a crash / With your traffic jam booty heads pausin' so fast(hey)"

Nah Annie,

I think this Ludacris line suites you better.

"I'm the new phenomenon like white women with ass"

*sigh* back to my apple bottom workout video. Then after that, How to Make Your Lips Big Enough for Mike's Cracchiolo instructional video.

while we're on the subject of Luda :

Between reps on my Indie Rock Workout (sponsored by Red Bull) video, I repeat this mantra to myself :

"I'm all about my team, I'm all about my green / I'm 'bout supply and demand, I'm 'bout to serve the fiends / And I'm a workin dream, I keep the circuit clean / See I'm the FUCKIN FUTURE~! I'm a workin machine"

seriously, though, AZ, I feel for ya. Anytime you put out any kind of Best Of list, you're gonna get flooded with BS. Keep your head up.

In the words of a great man : "If they hate then let 'em hate"

Meat Triangle!

I think we need a new catagory;

Longest time taken to produce a C.D.

"it's time to unveil this year's nominees, which were compiled via a combination of my opinion and the thoughts of 70-plus musicians, venue employees and other music scene denizens" Hmm sounds sketchy to me.

I wonder if these 70 plus musicians were the ones nominated, I wonder if they were the same as the ones that work at venues and the RFT. It appears in their quest to improve 'the scene' the politics and lack of full coverage to all band only serves to leave St. louis where it is at currently, the bottom of the music food chain.

Just my opinion,

Tim

actually, tim, i just went back and looked: absolutely nobody from any venue got back to me. INCLUDING THE BLUEBIRD, WHICH I'M SURE IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW!

there is no conspiracy going on with these nominations, people. seriously.

i'm not sure why asking other people for their input is "sketchy" -- as the people i asked didn't vote for themselves. many local musicians go out to different shows than i go out to -- because i'm just one person. i value the input and opinions of other musicians and people in the town, who have different tastes and places they go. the responses i got were thoughtful and varied, and helped me figure out the ballots and reminded me of bands i may have forgotten. if anything, they improved the choices.

i sent out an email to nearly 300 people. of all genres, places, bands, scenes, etc. 70+ people responded.

and as i've said a lot before: i'm one person. you try to be everything to everyone at once. and actually get some sleep at night. then let's talk.

Frankly, "Tim L.," if that *is* yr real name (hah), I'm happy to exist directly *outside* the "Music Food Chain."

Better view, better and cheaper booze, better peeps, better fucking parties.

".....and if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass a-hoppin'"

Actually I think the list is okay, I just like quoting Raising Arizona. Though, That's My Daughter and Tight Pants are conspicuous ommissions.

But what do I know? I hang out with Vintage Vinyl dork-uses.

MANGO!

"Music Food Chain", my favorite Museum Mutters song.
there be some good lyrics in these rants, somebody write a rock opera.

wingo

Jumbling Forest is in bed with the RFT. We've all known that since the start.

They are also in bed with the Red Sea, and Nate B from Berlin Whale. Don't trust those fuckers.

Seriously.

the only change I would make is putting Jesse Irwin SOMEWHERE. maybe in "Best Americana/Folk" or "Best Untraditional Americana/Folk". That dude is beyond entertaining.

Other than that, my own band is just excited to be nominated...although, I'm voting for The Livers.

in the words of the great Nuge: "Wango Mango"

Okay, other than the GLARING omission of That's My Daughter (don't worry, I've heard the recordings & they're a shoo-in for best cd next year), my only actual other complaint is the same one I've had for about six years...The Conformists are simply not that eclectic or uncategorizable. Not saying I don't like them or anything, just wondering what it is that someone at the RFT thinks they do that is sooooo kookoo crazy. Other than the "Daterape" 12" which came out, what, ten years ago(?) all of their stuff is pretty standard noisy punk/indie/rock. It's good and all, not hatin', just sayin'.

Actually somebody brought up a good point, for most of these type of awards or events people that work for the company sponsoring the event are not eligible to be nominated. This is for obvious reasons...much of which have been brought up in this post. If that is the case So Many Dynamos and The Bureau should be disqualified and probably some others.

Otherwise it is a total conflict of interest. It's like Fox giving American Idol the award for best program (good analogy since that show sucks too).

Incidently the ppl that voted may not vote for themselves but they vote for each other...duh that is how a clique works.

Im sure tomko mopko voted for mike crochenzo and vice versa, hibernauts voted for gentlemen auction house, zaleski voted for Harnish (though bunnygrunt isn't bad :)) etc....

Lets just all agree that this is a bs promotional stunt for the RF('fish wrap') T and that it has no credibility.

JP

I totally miss St. Louis.

daaaaaaanng!

I'm sorry you guys feel like you guys aren't getting the credit you deserve. I feel the same way about my band, The Death Eaters.

I like that everyone has favorite bands in town (mine is Calvin and the Squirrels). It's cool to see that people like other bands enough to be disappointed that they weren't nominated. Everyone but JP, that is. He goes out of his way to hate everything. A day of his existence must be constantly angry (for instance I'm sure he's the guy who sends his food back three times because it's not cooked according to the proper french method and then doesn't tip because the staff didn't know as much as him. he's really smart). Watch the blood pressure, Joey.

It's unfortunate that several contributors to this thread don't have their own publication to write about music. You should 'band' together and start one, there are plenty in town; apparently it's easy. There's clearly no required skills (or taste) considering the quality of said publications. You could even call it the RFT II and have your own music awards that would have waaaayy better taste and depth than this one. and I want in. I know a guy who can play awesome jams on his casio that fit perfectly with the pre-programmed beats.

Seeing as this nomination list is all fucked up, I must educate you fools as to why my opinion is right and the opinion of everyone else is wrong-o (also the name of my favorite track from the polka nuwave masterpiece mashed taters by Coldmouth). Here's a list of actual good bands. Check out their purevolume.com pages because they would never kiss myspace's ass.

Superverde
Ho's Gotta Eat Too
Ashlee Simpson
Ozzie Smith's Son (who ROCKED American Idol. I love you, Ozzie Smith's son!!)
Weird Al Jr.
My Dog
Morning Wood Factory
Pink Lemonade

Look; I know people. I have perfect taste in music. I know who's good in St. Louis, and I know who sucks. Anyone who doesn't agree with me...is simply an idiot and I need to tell them so. I just KNOW that very few of these bands really deserve anything, because they're the worst music I've ever heard. Clearly the obvious choice for "Best Band in the World" is my side project where my backing band is shirtless, called Brett Ramsey and the Four Skins. We're a mix between newgaze and cock rock. We're kind of a big deal around here.

I hate all of your guts. every one of you.

BR for A to Z heading to comment on the STL Sound MySpace page.

I don't care if you hate me/us/everyone Brett...we still love you! 'cause you tip good!
and don't make us fix fancy drinks!'cause we don't know how...

good lord. waaaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa.

if those complaining really need awards to justify how crappy or wonderful a "scene" is, or how your band or act fares in said "scene", i suggest you get a life and remember why the hell you started playing in the first place.

there is no scene...

only a seen.

Brett, new gaze cock rock? hmm, clearly my band dosn't have the moxy to be nominated this year, so officially Laura Syrhea and Dave, i am denouncing S.M. and joining Brett's new band.

I have a feeling it will help me with my self destructive benders and low self esteem. I may actually find my way in the universe.

although we could have gotten in i think if they would have expanded the categories.

Most Drummerless band at the moment:
God damned loud for no reason:
and the ever vaunted-
How the hell did they get that gig?!?!?!: category.

now, away i must go to my desecrated church haven, to pine away at what will never be and avoid the sunlight for i shall turn to ashes!

heh. where is Meat Triangle in the list of nominees?

Mangiometry

Hmm, i was one of the 70 people who returned the info and none of my suggestions were used. Guess I'm not cool. Oh wait, I think one band did.

If the prerequisite was you had to draw more than 200 people to a show, how many of these bands would make the cut? I'm guessing not a lot.

Lot's of good bands in this town.

Seriously is winning an award here going to skyrocket your career? Help you get signed? Help you get laid? Doubt it.

This poorly attended event would be so much more fun if more bands in town actually showed up and met each other. Actually half the bands that get nominated don't even bother to show up.

Although in theory my band is bigger and has done more than all of these nominated bands combined, we still don't get the respect we deserve. That's why we are on hiatus from playing huge shows under the big Amoco sign and on street corners. You've probably never seen us play because be the tim e you show up you missed us and if you were there on time, we cancelled. You might be able to find our first release (which was a box set) at gas stations around town.

Meat Triangle

"Look; I know people. I have perfect taste in music. I know who's good in St. Louis, and I know who sucks. Anyone who doesn't agree with me...is simply an idiot and I need to tell them so."

My sentiments exactly.

I slacked and didn't return the email. wah.

Bork bork bork....La la la Lala is a joik!

Moopity boopioty.

And stuff.

My band sux. =)

zzzigga zigga zung.

-jw

james, have you been doing a little morning drinking? maybe a mnago mangia mimosa with breakfast or something?

Nawwwwwp. Just lovin' life. My head hurts. My shoes are too tight. It's too hot in here. Are we there yet? Sis keeps touchin' me. I have to go to the bathroom. This seat belt is too tight. Mom, can I have a soda? I pooped myself. etc.

-jw

it all makes me wince a little, like i unexpectedly found a human hand underneath my car tire. oh well, maybe next year you'll want to sleep with one of us.

just saw this on the onion website, fits really well with all this.... enjoy...

http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_cant_imagine_why_anybody

mandingo

"If the powers that be in the local music media were fair and unbiased, there wouldn't be bitching every time you see someone's 'pet bands' get nominated for awards."

I agree with a lot of shit people said here and disagree with a lot of shit people said here, but this is something I just have to weigh in on.

There is no possible way the RFT or anyone else could do the awards without bitching from the peanut gallery. Period. Never could happen...Too many homer fans, too many opinionated people.