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he must have worked for acorn . he needed some 1 to teach him safety . treat all guns even if unloaded as safely as possible . even if you think a gun is unloaded it may not be . don,t trust a safety on 1 it could fail

horrorfull, it's a terrible story! Guns must be forbidden!

Ummm, sounds to me like SHE blew his brains out and had this foolish story to cover it up. No gun owner would ever be so stupid as to put a loaded gun to their own head, unloaded or loaded as a "safety exercise".
I smell homicide

henry cow is stupid. thank you.

Rule 1: The gun is ALWAYS loaded.
Rule 2: Never aim a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.

Let me ride:
http://www.filthyrichmond.com/2009/09/let-me-ride.html

"he must have worked for acorn"? seriously? retard

@ people bashing Henry Cow : lol. No reason would ever justify banning guns for you people. Don't be so close-minded

@EndUser:

you know that have ballistics tests that can determine if someone fired a gun or not - i'm sure they looked into the possibility of this being a cover story for a homicide. I'm also sure that they wouldn't have reported it as an accident if they weren't already sure.

Here's another opportunity for the gunnuts to come out and start the "guns don't kill people" chant that is so tired.

OMG dude that is SO sad. Can you imagine?

RT
www.online-privacy.us.tc

If you forbid guns, you will have nothing to defend yourself against governments.

The world will just need to deal with idiots like these in the meantime.

jesus is a dumb-arse. thank-you

Hey KS, why don't you remove yourself from the gene pool?

I hope all you gun advocates go through a gun safety class just like this one.

Pssst...I think Henry Cow was being sarcastic...You can un-bunch your panties now.

If only gun nuts would ALWAYS kill no one but themselves, I'd be all for gun ownership.

For all the Kool Aid swillers who continually bash firearms in lieu of stupid people and criminals, I am a bit tired of you lying Liberal pig swill in regard to gun owners being uneducated. I am a world renowned Martial Arts Master, a living legend since 1995, a former combat Marine of the Indo China War Games and an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor and Range Safety Officer. Additionally, I earned a Ph.D. in 1982. Now, if you folks choose to be defenseless victims because you have neither the skills or the backbone to defend yourselves or your families from violent predators such is your business. However, you have no right whatsoever to make my business and my choice not to be a victim your business. If you'll stand idly by while your wives or daughters are raped and murdered because in truth you are little more than craven cowards, again, it is your business. I was born in Tx. and raised in Mo. One does not have to be born in the snooty Northeast to achieve levels of higher education. So, when casting your opinions from the confines of glass houses, be sure they don't turn into bricks that fly back in your smug faces.

its called natural selection

Guns don't kill people. People kill themselves with guns b/c they don't know any better.

I am ready for the zombies...

All the pheasants ever bred, won't make up for one man dead.

Stupid Usonians.

@anon

Could not have been said better!!!

@Anon

could not have been said better!!!

I guess it shows that guns arent safe.
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Dr. Richard- you are in a firearms discussion. I believe you are looking for the narcissist chat room/discussion.
If you were educated, then you would know that you wouldn't have to throw around your accomplishments- a classic sign that you are lacking self confidence or esteem somewhere in your social skills (the most important "skills" needed in daily life).
I am guessing it's likely that you are added the "Dr" for added color. A PhD knows what words and common phrases mean. Your writing spells ignorance; thereby confirming my original statement about guns and education.
Most of the civilized world doesn't care how tough you are so leave the Rambo accomplishments out. A world renowned martial arts master is about as interesting as plumbing expert.
You didn't have to mention that you are from Texas- we all knew that. Explains why you are insecure and jealous of the "snooty" (smart) "northeast".
Dumbass. Goodbye. Next.

In 2008 there were approx. 31,000 gun deaths in the US, a shade more than half were suicides. Also in 2008 42,600 people were killed in car accidents. Oh, and 297,000 people were raped. I say we ban guns, cars, and penises. Come'on folks, people are dying.

oops- didn't take the time to edit.
Now let's see all the people rise up and shoot down my grammar. come on. let's see it now.

@RCTrucker7

Amen to that brother ;)

so if we ban guns does that mean we can still have bows and arrows? what about knifes? for that matter if I really cared to couldnt I just set a guy on fire by dowsing him with gasoline and then throwing matches at him. Guess we better ban those as well. You know what else we really need to get rid of alcohol and automobiles because I mean those two combined are like guns and bullets. But hey heres an even better idea before we start banning all these things. How bout we just ban people altoghter that would totally solve all these problems. Lets make people get licensed before they have kids. you dont pass the license test you dont get to have a kid. thats a good idea. the problem with the world is we have children raising children and society has to keep making rules to govern all these ignorant children now if we lived in a world were the only people allowed to reproduce were mature stable adults who would in turn raise mature stable adults all these conversations would be moot. ALthough I do have to say if banning guns means that swords would come back in vogue as the premiere self-defense device I am totally all for it. I mean shooting a guy is effective im sure but there is something just so much more romantic about chopping a dude up with a samuria sword.

I think "Dr. Richard Wigginton" was used as a pun -- everything I have found in [search engines] comes up with stuff about a "martial arts expert".

I'm not sure if anyone else already clarified that, but thought I'd do it anyway.

I don't think banning guns solves anything, even with the laws in place to prevent them falling into the 'wrong hands' solves nothing (the wrong people have them anyway).

I agree that I too thought "I wonder if this chick shot her husband and is claiming that he did it while showing her gun safety"... but at the same time I am sure they already looked into investigating powder burns and other stuff (angle of bullet entry / path) and determined that it was self-inflicted.

"who is that stupid?" someone asked -- well, given the number of times I read stories like this one - many people are that stupid.

LOL what a JACKASS

I'm with the good Dr. Wigginton. It's a choice. "Guns should be banned!!!", "Everyone should have guns!!!". WAH, get a life. Make your choice and DON'T force it down my throat. I have completed gun safety classes, shot at targets. shot at animals, and thankfully have not had to shoot another person. I choose not to have a gun in my home, I don't want that risk for my son. I will teach him when he gets older, but that's for another time.

Too bad Darwin didn't get rid of this guy before he turned 40, his seed's probably all over the US by now.

Ok let's say we ban guns, How well has banning things worked before? illegal drugs are banned no one uses them any more do they? It's impossible to buy drugs any where isn't it? so banning guns will automatically make murders involving firearms go away .... yeah right...

Population control.
We need more people like him to teach others gun safety.

too bad it wasnt barrack teaching michelle a little gun safety himself. oh thats right, the lying, liberal, wannabe world leader, kiss ass, total world apology tour (TWAT), socialist dictator bastard without a US birth certificate wants us ALL to give up our gun ownership rights. Please, come get mine now....I dare ya!!!!

This is truly a tragedy. A human life was lost, one of thousands, if not tens of thousands that have and will be lost this year alone due to irresponsible use of firearms.

This is not a joke, in any sense of the word and it sickens me to see the same sentiments repeated over and over any time someone loses their life in a gun related incident.

Every time someone shoots themselves or someone else, accidentally or intentionally, there are always two bandwagons ready to move down the street to pick up all the activists itching and waiting for the next death so they can jump on and speak their mind.

I am sickened to read some of the comments on this post. What could have been a respectful discourse on actual solutions to a problem devolves into a pissing match over whether or not guns should exist or be allowed to be possessed.

There is something else that tens of thousands of people die from every year. It's called an automobile. The government compels all drivers to take extensive training courses on how to operate a vehicle safely. If you drive a vehicle larger than a standard truck or car, i.e. a limo, bus, or diesel, then you must exhibit training on the more advanced vehicle. Once trained, you are tested on this training and you receive a license confirming proficiency in how to operate the vehicle and knowledge of existing safety laws and requirements.

About a year ago, four teenagers were speeding down a canyon road, less than a quarter mile from my home. The road is wide, but has some very sharp curves. The driver lost control of the car as she approached the last curve and hit a utility pole with enough force to drive the pole a good distance into the car, effectively splitting it. If I remember correctly, she survived, but the passengers, her friends, did not.

Now there was a great deal of head shaking following this incident. I'm sure charges were pressed against this teenage girl and her life, irregardless of the outcome, is permanently scarred by this mistake and irresponsible action. The fact remains, though, that no one was crying out for the outlawing and destruction of automobiles and there never will be becuase: 1) The majority of citizens of America rely heavily on automobiles for transportation, and 2) The United States and local state governments have gone to great extent to ensure that licensed drivers have extensive, proven training to operate their vehicles responsibly.

The question I have is why are guns any different than automobiles? In the wrong hands, an automobile can be an extremely destructive, at the least, and lethal, at the worst, tool. Guns, as well, in the wrong hands can be extremely destructive and lethal.

The answer is not to eliminate guns altogether. I don't say that lightly either. My uncle committed suicide with a shotgun when I was 13 years old and someone very close to me lost her twin sister when they were 17 as a result of suicide by handgun. I do not like guns. I'm not a fan. I know how to clean a gun, I know how to handle a gun safely and I know how to fire a gun responsibly. I've gone target shooting and had a great time. I don't, however, believe that guns are or should be for everyone, just as automobiles are not allowed for everyone.

The answer is for the government to instate rigid training requirements and licensing provisions for guns, just as they have for automobiles. Set regulations for whom is able to take the training courses and receive the license in the first place. Once the safety course is taken, make the operator establish proficiency in front of a rangemaster or an officer of the law. No one under 16 is able to be licensed to drive in the United States and we don't have public outcry over this. People who are blind should not be able to drive, but there are those who do and no one is crying out to ban automobiles for the populace as a whole, even after at least two cases where people were unable to see road signs clearly and drove into street markets, killing and injuring multiple victims. If someone is caught driving without a license, they risk losing their automobile. If someone is caught using an automobile irresponsibly, they risk losing their license to drive. If they are caught driving without a license, they risk losing their automobile altogether. Why should it be any different for guns?

I remember a taglane for the U.S. vs. Larry Flynt that said, effectively, "You may not like what he says, but are you willing to give up his right to say it." This is how I feel regarding guns. I don't like the volume of guns that are out there. I don't like the damage that they cause. I do, however, respect the constitutional right to bear arms and I wouldn't have that taken away for my own personal agenda, lest other rights be taken away for someone else's agenda. But the responsibility of the government to protect us as citizens does not stop at acknowledging the second ammendment.

I propose that on a Federal level, a mandatory curriculum for safety and operation of firearms be established. Upon completion of this curriculum at a certified training institution, the operator is eligible to report to a certified rangemaster or law enforcement authority to display proficiency in the safety, handling, and operation of the weapon. Upon completion of these two requirements, the operator is now authorized to carry and use a gun. For different classes of guns, there are different levels of training and licensing required, e.g. someone licensed to carry a b.b. gun isn't authorized to carry a semi-automatic rifle. If a person is caught acting irresponsibly in the operation of their firearm, then they risk losing their license. If a person is caught using their firearm, responsiblly or not, without a license, then they risk losing their firearm on the spot.

It's not difficult to conceive. Will there be unlicensed gun users? Yes. Are there unlicensed drivers? Yes. Will people still die in gun related accidents or intentional acts of violence? Yes. Do people still die from automobile accidents or intentional acts of violence? Yes. At least, we will have made an effort to curb the irresponsible acts that lead to so much sufferring and tragedy each and every year in this nation. At the very least, the government will be acting and attempting to protect the citizens rather than just sitting on the fence and waiting to see which side is going to give them the most political strength and clout.

We are citizens of a great country. We are steadily eliminating ourselves due to ignorance and an absolute lack of compassion.

To all of you who have posted these ignorant, heartless, even ridiculously racist comments. I implore you to stop the next time you open your browser and consciously make an attempt NOT to check your heart at the door just because you're hiding behind some lame screenname and think that no one will know what you said. I wonder if you'd say the same things at church, at work, or at a family dinner where your face is seen and people can actually respond to you face to face. I somehow thing you'd lose some of your courage in those circumstances.

@Sid Taylor

I am not a grammar teacher, so I have no authorization to judge your grammar, though you took that license with the good Dr. up above. I don't believe that you or he are any less ignorant than the majority of the other posters here. Again, it comes down to personal agendas and heartless proclamations of superiority. I am, however a Texan, born and raised, and although I live in California now I will always consider myself a proud Texan. Our state has a rich history of great men and women who fought for their independance and moved their land in the direction that they wanted it to go. We were not sold to the United States, we fought for independance and subsequently joined the Union that had supported us in that fight. I am thankful for great artists, businessmen, musicians, politicians, and scientists that have come from our great state.

I am tired of people judging Texans as ignorant because of the fact that George W. Bush was a former governer of Texas and his father "adopted" Texas as their home for political reasons. They are not, never were, and never will be native Texans. There are a significant number of Texans, myself included, who did not like W. as a governer and did not want him in office as a president and are sick and tired of being associated with him by default due to his father's political ambitions.

The next time you want to tower over the ignorant Texans, consider the fact that the semiconductor at the heart of your computer processor was likely designed and processed by Texas Instruments, located in Dallas and I believe the largest manufacturer of semiconducters in the world. Considering their market share, there's probably a good chance that your computer is a Dell, manufactured and assempled in Rockport, Texas. Pretty good for a bunch of ignorant hicks, eh?

If you don't like W., then that's fine, but don't slam Texans for it. Don't insult our intelligence and ability to reason just because everyone else is. Who are you? One of many who thinks that they have the right to insult a state because their citizens have pride and they were associated with a very bad man. Take a look in the mirror and take pride in that accomplishment. Be careful, though, one leg on one bandwagon and one on another is going to make it really hard for you to keep from falling.

To those had the patience to read this entire post. Thank you. I apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors that may exist. I received a very good education and any errors are my sole responsibility due to oversight.

Good day,

Larry Bryan

Wow, the comments are almost as stupid as Looney. An idiot shooting himself is not a good reason to ban guns but there are a whole lot of other good reasons. Guns don't protect you from your government; your vote does, learning about the issues does, contacting your elected officials does. Just because you don't like guns or the government doesn't give you the right to force your opinion on everyone else. Our laws are designed to protect the rights of the individual as long as they don't infringe in the rights of others. By law people have the right to have guns, people have the right to elect who they want as their leader even if you don't like them, and most unfortunately all you dumb-asses have the right to have children god help us all...

Sarcasm elludes all of you...

Very nice ideas on eugenics you have there KS. "Good for him for eliminating his stupidity from my precious gene pool?" Know who else used to think like you? The fucking Nazi's. I can only hope that when you finally meet your end, it'll be at the business end of the barrel. It's the only ending hatemongers like you deserve, the only one that's fitting for your ignorance. And hell, it'd be funny as shit too.

Maybe if this idiot's gun had a really long barrel he'd have more trouble pointing it at himself. Require that all handguns have 3 foot barrels and gun deaths would plummet. They'd be harder to aim accurately and to carry around as well. Save your shotguns and rifles (and votes) for fighting the government. AK47s too I guess, although wanting an AK47 should be grounds for denial of the license.

"What could have been a respectful discourse on actual solutions to a problem"

Larry, what problem is it that you want to discuss? Accidental firearms deaths in the US? Here's data for the most recent 5 years available on the CDC web site:

2002 - 762;
2003 - 730;
2004 - 649;
2005 - 630;
2006 - 680

In a country of about 300 million people, about 700 die each year due to firearms accidents. In contrast, about 3600 die each year due to drowning. There are a lot of bigger problems to solve than accidental shootings. You can check the numbers yourself here: http://webapp.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

I don't know what you are doing to solve this "problem." Personally, I'm an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor, NRA Certified Range Safety Officer, IDPA Range Safety Officer, and Chief Range Officer at my gun club. I take safety very, very seriously, I teach firearms safety, and I enforce safety on my range.

This young fellow was an idiot. Was his death a tragedy? Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that he was an idiot.

Darwin 1 - this guy 0

@ End User, please read:

Phoenix man killed in gun-safety demo

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/293333.php

Gun users can be dumb, just like everyone else. Only they have guns.

MURDER!!! ITS MURDER!!! SHE KILLED HIM!!!

Henry cow: there was no luck (or lack of it) involved in this young man's death. Guns don't go off by themselves. Guns don't load themselves. Guns don't point themselves at your head.

There was no element of chance in this incident. He loaded the gun, pointed it at his own head and pulled the trigger.

If he'd followed rule 1 -- always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction -- he would be alive today. If he'd followed rule 2 -- always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot -- he would be alive today. If he'd followed rule 3 -- always keep your gun unloaded and action open until you are ready to use it -- he'd be alive today.

Following gun safety rules keeps you safe, not luck.

Unfortunately this guy was 40 years old and has probably already passed on his genes, so this would be a Darwin Award Fail.

@Syd Taylor - I know you miss the kawk. Come by later and Ill let you suck on all the sausage you want.

"do some fucking thing- and keep your stupid opinions to yourself"

you should really take your own advice.

@European

No Europeans like you are fucking morons.

Don't worry if you are nice to us maybe we will bail your ass again like we did in WWII, then again maybe we won't ;) Enjoy your social programs when the tanks come rolling across your borders assclown.

I still say anyone who doesn't own a Gun is total Zombie food!!!! I for one will not have my brains ripped from my skull and suckled on like a newborn cafe sucking on a teet. I am prepared for the invasion my friends. LET THEM COME!!! OH YES LET THEM COME!!!!!

Death to the Undead

Again we prove that Darwin was right... I wish that all of the gun totin' right wing nuts would take an example of my Looney!

@Bob

wat do u mean Darwin was right? What was he right about? How does it relate at all to this case? gawd just go bak to hs cus u obviously dropped out of it.

I'm so sad to admit I live in the same county as this Looney fellow. The stupid... it hurts.

"he must have worked for acorn"

HURRRRRP

"Thank you for taking the time to read my post, however I don't see how you are so threatened by me."

Larry, you might want to reread my posts. There is nothing in my posts that in any way suggests that I think you are threatening to me. You are simply projecting.

OK Yankee Doodle....keep drinking the Kool-Aid baby because you're a pompous ass and a complete idiot.

I have a college degree, I own several businesses, and live in an upscale neighborhood. My wife and I have both worked hard for what we have. Oh, and by the way, neither of us received a stimulus check either.

I own two handguns. I have never had a reason to ever pull them or shoot them at anyone for that matter. Nor have I ever felt the need to show them off to anyone either. I keep them in a secure place in my home and business. I do, however, feel comfortable knowing that in the event that someone would threaten harm to me, my family, or my employees that I have some method of defense.

Regarding your comment about living in a trailer, some folks don't have a choice and that's the best they can do for now. I can assure you, if they could afford to move, they probably would.

But idiots like you voted for Barack Obama and unfortunately I think things are going to get worse before they get better. So before you start condemning people for where they live and their educational background, I suggest that you say a prayer every night that you don't lose your job, wherever that may be.

The Second Amendment says that I have the right to keep and bear arms. And that I will do! I respect your opinion regarding guns but dont start advocating what I need to do with mine. Hey Luck Sky Walker, lets see how your LightSaver compares to that criminal with his 9MM or .40 cal that intends to do harm to you and your family. Good luck jerk-off and I hope that you never need a gun for protection.

So...how's that whole hopey/changey thang working for ya??? And please send my love to your wife, Nancy(Pelosi).

@JLN

I'm afraid I'm not projecting. I simply don't see where your argument came from if you weren't threatened by my comment. There is nothing about you that threatens me. I pity you, in that you could have gone to such lengths to learn gun safety and yet you criticize me for saying that more regulation and education might decrease the number of deaths that come from not using guns safely or responsibly. You apparently made up numbers to somehow discredit me, so I responded in like, but with valid, confirmable data.

Again, I'm not advocating banning firearms in anyway, just the regulation of their use in a safe and responsible fashion, or not used by those who cannot handle that. I was really hoping that you would add a bit of rationale to your numbers by posting an actual link but you didn't, so I've really got nothing left to say to you.

This was god (I mean the flying spaghetti monsters) was of cleansing the gene pool. Too over populated with bad genes from dumb hillbilly's who are wasting good air everytime they breathe!

Save the air!

No no, I think Henery Cow is right. No Guns! In fact, we should outlaw cars as well! They kill even more people each year.

I live in Jefferson County, MO... and I gotta say. There are stupid people EVERYWHERE. I was offended that you made it sound like no big deal that it happened here. Also, Im richer and drive nicer cars and own bigger houses than you would ever dream of.

That's mind-blasting.

Instead of playing with guns and hanging out a gun ranges, he should have been donating to the Brady Campaign and demanding trigger locks on every gun.

Evolution!!

I for one, applaud this method of demonstrating gun safety. It's an effective method of weeding out some of those who are likely to pose a serious risk to others by owning guns. This way, if you're a complete moron, the "gun safety" test will make sure you don't own a gun for very long.

The general poor standard of grammar and intellectual content of the letters on this subject fills me with fear for us all.
To place a firearm in the hands of such folk is a fearsome reality that can only end in tragedy.
My wish is that when I eventually meet my maker, I do not have blood on my hands - either as a result of offensive or defensive actions.
The real heroes are those who turn their backs on violence.

"I'm gunna get drunk and mow down a crowd of girl scouts in my Humvee. And then stab some minorities with a katana. Oh hey, it's not my fault: It's the booze, and the car, and the sword. And it's society's fault too, of course!

These darn swords are only designed for killing! So naturally, anyone holding one must instantly become compelled to slaughter anything within range. What kind of government allows it's helpless, child-like citizens to own such terrible things? We cannot be trusted to our own free will, someone must dictate it for us!"

Personal accountabilty. Murder or suicide = guilt lies solely with the individual responsible. Blaming inanimate matter for someone's mistakes diffuses their guilt.

Also guys, being a grammar nazi doesn't automatically place you upon some golden pedestal of internet intellectualism. If people are intelligible, then address their points and stop being-
So. Fucking. Patronizing.

Just like every hot topic,.."Pro choice", "Gun control", "Gay rights" etc. etc.... you have passionate opinions on both sides....the right to have an opinion, is an American blessing, that was earned by the use of weapons,... but this story isn't about our military use of guns, it's about our personal use of them......I for one believe our forefathers had it right, when they included the 2nd ammendment. I don't personally own any guns, but I feel more comfortable knowing that I have the right to obtain one, if I feel the need for some additional personal protection for my family.

For those who do not agree with my opinion, it is also your right, to not own a gun. Respect my choice, and I will respect yours. I will never try to change your mind, because it is not my business.

For those of you who attack, and insult others, because their opinion is diffrent, are the truely ignorant individuals. Once you move that direction, you have abandoned all credibilty, and portrayed yourself as a socialist, who does Not believe in democracy.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

But that's not the point.

The point is that, without the Minutemen's right to keep and bear arms, there would have been NO 13 FREE STATES IN THE FIRST PLACE!

So any of you who look at the gun rather than the man, think how life would be if the Redcoats had won. No Louisiana Purchase, no War of 1812, no Civil War between the States... just 13 nice, comfy colonies paying their taxes to the King of England... in Pounds Sterling, not in Dollars...
Drinking tea, not coffee...
and having to sing "God Save the King every god-given morning in school.

Next time you march for gun control, drink some tea and wave the Union Jack, then see how it feels!!!

Do we REALLY need more gun control; or, should we do better at enforcing the laws that we already have? Oh, by the way, criminals are ignoring them.

Shall we make more restrictive laws? I would argue against such a thing. In fact, I have. Below is an excerpt from an argument I wrote last year:

Overly restrictive laws that violate Second Amendment rights can, and do, have dire consequences. Consider the following:

Bricie Tribble heard a strange noise in her Apache Junction, Ariz., [sic] home shortly after midnight and decided to investigate. What she found was a man kneeling by a recliner as he rummaged through her purse. According to Apache Junction police, when Tribble asked the intruder to identify himself, he replied, "I'm going to kill everyone in this house, including you." Tribble, who had armed herself just in case, fired at least one fatal shot with her .45-cal. handgun. Police said the man had begun his crime spree earlier that evening, abducting a woman at a nearby Wal-Mart before driving her to a secluded location and then raping and shooting her. [sic] The victim lived and gave police a description of her attacker (American Rifleman Issue: 4/1/2000, as cited by NRA-ILA, 2009b, p. 2, para. 10).

Had Bricie Tribble been denied the right to possess a loaded firearm in her home, the intruder may well have carried out his threat. Thanks to having the freedom to exercise her Second Amendment right, Ms. Tribble likely avoided becoming another rape and homicide victim. Is it possible that proper enforcement of current laws could have prevented the criminal from possessing the weapon used in the rape and attempted murder of his previous victim? The possibility does exist with background checks. Is it possible that the intruder would not have been stopped, and that he would have raped and killed Bricie Tribble of Apache Junction, if Arizona had the same gun ban legislation that was recently lifted from the District of Columbia and remains in effect in other jurisdictions? Ponder how Ms. Tribble’s situation might be different in such a jurisdiction, in context of the stated intent of the intruder. Consider these questions when considering the value of a proposed or current piece of gun control legislation. Consider the level of enforcement and the ability to enforce the current laws in our communities before weighing the possibility of adding more restrictive laws that disarm law abiding citizenry. Are there still laws that infringe on Second Amendment rights while doing little to reduce criminal use of firearms? Remember Cesare Beccaria wrote that laws "which forbid [individuals] to wear arms" serve only to disarm "those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent." (Ingraham, 1918)

I love how so many of you got trolled by Henry Cow. Aww man. Its awesome that they make an OBVIOUSLY SARCASTIC comment and you ALL got TROLLED.

"Then again, it did occur in Jefferson County, Missouri."

So? Hillsboro is only 20 miles south of the St. Louis beltway system.

Idiocy is not bound by geography.

PB777

Run for office, and I will vote for you....

JD

Run against PB777, so he will have an easy victory....

For those of you who do not like our bills of rights, move to Iran,.... I'm sure they would be glad to have people, who do not appreciate freedom....

Pure Darwin: Non-survival of the thickest.

If all you Anti-gun people would stop a minute and think about the fact that a gun is an object. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people in this case an idiot who had a gun killed himself. Without Guns the bad people of the world would be in charge BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT GIVE UP THEIR GUNS. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT LAWS. Thomas Jefferson (yes one of the founding fathers) Said "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who did not" In WW2 some french citizens fought back against the Nazis, historians agree that German would have had a much harder time running over countries if the people had been armed. NO ONE WOULD ATTACK US HER ON OUR SHORES, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH OUR CITIZENS IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DEFEAT OUR MILITARY. If one day some country comes knocking you Antis will change your mind but don't expect any protection from the prepared citizens. You might get some but you don't deserve it. In closing I will leave you with this, if the need ever arrises to defend this country us gun owners will be on the front lines saving your asses while you cry yourself to sleep after realizing what a waste your life was and just how wrong you were. Hopefully someone will have pity on you and allow you to squat in their protected area. Maybe they will let you clean the toilets...

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens firearms are indelibly related."
- George Washington

"The most effective way to find ourselves enslaved will not be done openly. If weakened we will sink gradually.
I ask, who are the militia? They consist of the whole people,
.... except a few public officers."

- Thomas Jefferson

well as i live over the pond this storey mad me chuckle, he had a very apt surname well at least there is one less idiot to spoil the gene pool

What a pinhead.

Stop feeding the trolls. It really brings out the worst in all of us.

@Syd Taylor

What happens if we are "snooty" (smart), educated, and come from the Northeast, but still like to own a gun? I dunno, but just knowing that if someone comes into my home trying to do damage to my family they will end up riddled with 9mm hollow tip rounds. This is somewhat comforting especially since they will never have the chance to do it to anyone else's family. Defend your barn, bury the crooks.

Please BAN spoons. They make people FAT!

"End user says:

Ummm, sounds to me like SHE blew his brains out and had this foolish story to cover it up. No gun owner would ever be so stupid as to put a loaded gun to their own head, unloaded or loaded as a "safety exercise".
I smell homicide"

Like Jon-Erik Hexum, huh.