Scary Numbers: Man, 30, Poses as Teen, 17, to Sodomize Girl, 14

This is a victimless crime, ages of consent are arbitrary. 14 is the age of consent on Germany, Italy, Portugal and Austria. It's 13 in Spain. Do these nations condone child abuse, or is the USA overly prudent?

there is a difference between a sex offender a pedophile and a rapist this man is not a pedophile or a rapist he is a sex offender he committed a crime that was sexually offencive but was a consentual act yes it wron and illegal but it was a two sided story she obviously was ok with it and so was he and this is not the first case of this happening obviously shes not nearly as innocent as this artilce claims i mean she did invite him over and in her house spicifically for the purpose of having sex and yet hes a creep but why is it ok for this lil girl to say ok yes he was wrong for going there and having sex with her but she invited him uh hello people wake the fuck up shes not innocent!

i was expecting this to be some online deal because i thought there is no way anyone could be stupid enough to believe he was 17. but they met in person to my surprize......

wow, i thought this sick story was a joke? only reading the comments below made me realise it was true. i am from england though!

Okay, so maybe teenagers aren't the brightest bulbs in the world, but who the fuck could look at this guy and believe he was 17??

Haha i bet he shit a brick when her parents came home.

It doesn't exactly sound like "rape"....I can't believe he was stupid enough to go to her house thoughso he deserves arrest for "stupidity"....

By the way...sodomy could be the "mouth" too...

17!!!! He wishes he looked that young he was clearly immature why the girl believed him. Sick perv why lie just to get in the little girls knickers you should know better.

This man is a predator. He will use himself to accomplish his pleasure no matter who or what is in pain to please him. Oh, hey lets break kids for fun!!!! The LORD will deal with this man according to his deeds. Father help us where we fail and draw us closer to you. God Almighty we need you!! Lead us to the Cross. Where Your love was poured out. Lead us to our knees!! God help this man. Lord have mercy please!!

He looks about 50. His fat face is about a foot wide and his eyes as close as a spider's. He must have raped her. She could never have gone along w/it willingly.

SMH.. All jokes aside.. Who the f-ck thinks that guy is 17 years YOUNG.. smh.. look how f-cking old he looks.. That was dumb as h-ll on her behalf and PLUS.. Who gave the bastard her address!?!? Uhm.. I would like to think/know SHE DID.. smh.. she's dumb as h-ll herself.. YES what he did was wrong and he deserves to be thrown away for a LONG TIME.. especially if he's done it before.. but she ought to get slapped for thinking the f-cker was 17.. and giving him her phone number && address!! && btw she's 14 years young!! Wth she doing inviting guys to her house when her parents ain't there!?!? smh.. too fast for her own good!!

I agree w/tami & kc, this is wrong! I have 2 girls, 6 & 2, & 2 boys, 5 & 3, & if anyone hurt them, I'd be pissed! The girl is only 14 & the damn sicko is 30, & yes needs 2 be casterated! Sorry 4 the 14 year old! She needs mental help! I also have nieces & nephews, 10 of them, 2 be exact!

The catalyst to her having sex with him was the lie about his age. It's rape by fraud?

I'm not condemning the girl as a skank (that would be pretty hypocritical of me), and I'm also not ready to demonize the guy, although neither do I think he's exactly saint material. All we really know about the mysterious girl, though, is that she's 14 and that she took home this guy (and her mom walked in on them - ouch!). As I said, I can recall being 14. I found most boys my age unattractive, both physically and personally. Besides being skinny and pimply and rather lacking in personal hygiene, a lot of boys were really mean: they picked on and bullied people they considered "nerds" - this was before Nerd Pride. (One time a boy called me a lesbian in front of a bunch of other people, so I said "I like men just fine�*real* men." Then I looked at him in a pointed way that made it clear to all present that he most definitely didn't fall into the category of "real men." He stopped bothering me after that.) I know that my friends felt the same at that age and so did a lot of other girls. I'm not saying this was necessarily the universal attitude, I'm just offering a counterexample to the generalization that teenage girls aren't interested in adults. It's an awkward time because girls mature sexually and physically earlier than boys.

I don't have very many fond memories of my teenage years, but the brief time (a bit less than a year) when I was 14 and was with the 18-year-old boyfriend whom I mentioned above was a very happy time. He's been a wonderful and loyal friend ever since, and he was a very caring boyfriend. I know I would have been very angry if somebody had tried to label him a criminal or a pedophile or some BS like that for being involved with me.

Since we don't have a all the facts and don't know anything about the (alleged) "victim," I don't think we can seriously judge whether this guy's actually guilty of a real serious crime, or a bogus crime that dates back to a time when certain Americans succeeded in getting laws passed that were based on their personal religious beliefs and have no place in a free society.

If he really did make her do something once they were alone that she was not into (like if she wanted to have sex in the�err�"traditional manner" but he forced her to have anal sex, or if she changed her mind and decided she didn't want to after all but he didn't listen), then I would think he would be charged with *real* rape/sexual assault, not statutory. Doesn't that seem reasonable?

Oops, forgot to sign the previous post.

nihila: Gosh, thanks. I'm flattered. [blushes] Actually I'm a software engineer, which does involve writing, but not exactly the same sort. <g> My sister, who is a lawyer, is a much better writer than I am, really.

I'm really bothered by the way people talk about the "rights" of children, but only the right to be protected, not rights like self-expression and freedom of thought and privacy/autonomy - or the "rights" of parents to be overly controlling (like trying to prevent their children from hearing certain ideas or reading certain books that they disapprove of, usually with the intent of keeping the child from having an opportunity to question the parent's religion). It seems like there's hardly anybody standing up for children's rights if they come into conflict with those of parents, including the putative right to punish their children however they see fit. It only makes sense that if a child grows up in a violent atmosphere they're more likely to become violent adults. They're just following the example that's been set for them.</g>

LouLou:Sorry about the length of that last post. I probably should have cut out some stuff and broken it into shorter posts. I just noticed that I had left a paragraph unfinished by accident, so it was supposed to have been even longer. (!) I wish there was an opportunity to preview one's posts so as to get an idea of how long they'll be in the font they're printed in.

I think she knew he wasn't 17 but decided not to really think about it. She thought that it would be cool to "bang" with an older "teen". Guess it was a huge mistake huh? and what do you mean by "Then again, you know what they say about high-school girls..."? I know for a fact that high-school girls do NOT want to "bang" with adults. We all argree that it is disguesting! Plus who would want to bring that adult into pressing a charge and sending his @$$ to jail in the first place?

I think she knew he wasn't 17 but decided not to really think about it. She thought that it would be cool to "bang" with an older "teen". Guess it was a huge mistake huh? and what do you mean by "Then again, you know what they say about high-school girls..."? I know for a fact that high-school girls do NOT want to "bang" with adults. We all argree that it is disguesting! Plus who would want to bring that adult into pressing a charge and sending his @$$ to jail in the first place?

Sounds like someone will be entering the porn industry in four years....good for her.

My grandmother was married at 13 years old. This girl is one year older than her and she already is on anal sex, for God's sake. She is not a children that needs to be protect from the big and old paedophiles. She is not a little girl who was seduced by a bad man. She is a sexually active teenager full of hormones that brought him to her house and had sex.

You people are so full of it. The age of consent is either 16, 17 or 18 depending on the state. There really is no magic number when a teen is mature enough for sex. People used to get married at 14 so I don't think the guy is a pedophile and shouldn't be treated as one. But he broke the law and he should have known better and went with a 18 year old if he likes teen girls. This society always puts a guy down for having sex with a girl a lot younger. If he was 40 and she was 18 you still would call him a pervert. If she was 16 and in that state 16 was the age of consent you would be crying how the law should be changed. He was an idiot to put himself in a position to be judged by society that is brainwashed to believe whatever the system tells them what right and wrong is! 30 years from now the age of consent might be 14 or 15. Myself I will have sex with any teen woman of legal age and 18 or 19 year old girls are hot and almost every man given a chance will have sex with a legal 18 or 19 year old teen girl!!

That girl is stupid,how come she didn't see he is ancient.I think she wanted to have a sex with him

I don't think he back-doored her, probably a BJ.

@LouLou, He is a pathetic 30 year old man, but drop the pedophilia line, and stop being so god-damn hysterical.

@Sceptic, He's 30 and pretended to be a teenager. He's a perverted pedophile. And for Christ sakes, could you shorten your posts a tad??

Agree with "sceptic" and "ok?". It does seem there are more puritans today than ever. Just looking at the teen input on youtube, facebook etc, shows that they are just as sexual as teens were in the '60s, '70s or any other modern era. A good guess is that the 14 Year old know exactly what she was doing, and probably also had a very good idea that the guy was no 17 year old. As for the guy, well 16 years older is not really a problem, and 14 year old's may not be fully developed emotionally, but they certainly are sexually. For many hundreds of years 14 was old enough to have sex and marry. You can't suppress nature.

@sceptic

I have read thousands of posts, and this is the one that made me believe that there is hope forhumanity yet. You are rational, honest, understanding, intelligent and I like everything you said. I particularly like your statement about children's rights. I have never been able to accept the view that children are moral incompetents. Their characters are imperfectly completed, and most of them never will be. They have to learn from experience, and preaching at them bores them and beating them tends to turn many of them into rebels and criminals (boys) or mentally ill or imitators of their oppressors. (according to the criminologist Lonnie Athens, author of books about violent criminals which imo are well worth reading. I cannot guess your profession, but I would love to read more of your writing.

nihila

OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but I decided to comment because I think people are reacting in a knee-jerk fashion when the story doesn't provide much information - very little about the bloke and almost nothing about the girl, or how *she* felt about the whole thing - which I think matters a hell of a lot more than her mother's scandalized reaction. It doesn't even say who initiated the sex, but it may be telling that she took him home with her. (Foolish, since of course her parents could have walked in, but telling.)

(BTW: I may be confused, but my impression was that what was funny was Face's use of the phrase "anally pillaged," not the actual story. Also, "sodomy" here is probably not the dictionary definition but the *legal* definition, which varies widely depending on the jurisdiction; broadly, it could mean anything that a significant part of the community (at the time of the passage of the law) views as...uh, pervy.)

I'm surprised that more of you don't appear to recall what it was like to be a teenager. So, I thought I'd share a story from my own life. At fourteen, I became sexually involved involved with an eighteen-year-old guy. I was the one who initiated the relationship, including the sexual aspect. I knew what I wanted. We had agreed from the start that we would always use condoms. He was concerned about getting in legal trouble, should we be caught, so we were very careful to be discreet. I didn't want to get him in trouble, and if it had happened, I would have fought for him tooth and nail. I remember that I felt that "age of consent" laws were unjust. The truth is that children do have rights -- civil liberties, not just the right to be protected (particularly when they neither want nor need this "protection"). Being able to exercise and control one's own sexuality is one of the most important rights of a free, autonomous person, and for a teenager who has reached puberty. That it is not recognised by law for younger persons is a product of even mostly-secular governments still being affected by religious attitudes that have absolutely nothing to do with

I was not "traumatised" in any way by this relationship; we broke up mainly because he was leaving for college, but we remain good friends to this day. I later graduated from a top university, where I continued to have relationships primarily with older men. (That's just my preference, just like some people prefer a certain gender or body type. And besides, when you're a teenager, older men are much likelier to know what they're doing than boys your own age.) Today I am a healthy, well-adjusted professional.

The reason I'm saying this is not to rationalise what Elders did, but to point out that we don't have all the information and that it's possible that the article treating him as an evil manipulative pedophile is biased. Even the seemingly damning evidence that he lied about his age is not proof that he did anything really wrong. Today statutory-rape laws are seldom enforced except in cases like when a young girl is raped, molested, forced into prostitution, or coerced into having sex with a man in a position of authority (which this guy was not) but is too scared/traumatized/etc. to testify (understandably), they can still charge the bastard with something. These laws (some of which, especially in the eastern US, have been on the books for like 150 years or even more - they're known as "blue laws") should be applied judiciously, though. I wonder whether this incident would be prosecuted if it had not been for the irateness of the girl's scandalized mother. I somehow suspect the mother (and father, if present) insisted the police treat it as a case of rape/child molestation.

There was a time in Western history when girls younger than that were regularly married to much older men. Yet although there are plenty of documented cases, I can't think of a single one in which the girl suffered psychological damage from the experience. (I should point out, to be fair, that the cases where there is enough documentation to figure out what became of the child-brides all involved arranged marriages in the upper echelons of a society, not ordinary folks.) Some of these child-brides, like Lady Margaret Beaufort (who found herself, at 12, a pregnant widow), or Aisha, the youngest wife of the Prophet Muhammad (according to the available sources, she was either 9 or 10 when they were married), grew up to be strong and resourceful women who were active players in the major political upheavals that were going on around them, and who had profound effects on history (even today, Aisha's role in the leadership dispute that followed the Prophet's death is a major element of the disagreement between Sunni and Shi'a Muslims). Both Lady Margaret and Aisha grew up to be strong, resourceful women whose actions profoundly influenced history. Margaret Beaufort's support for her son was crucial in enabling him to defeat Richard III at Bosworth, and Aisha became what Christians would call an apostle, teaching people about the life of the Prophet and the beliefs and history of Islam. She was also a central figure in the dispute that even today separates Sunni and Shi'a Muslims. Now, it's likely that while there were women like Margaret Beaufort and Aisha bint Abu Bakr, there were also those who would be more aptly compared to Nujood Ali - except that they were probably seldom able to get any sort of legal relief. I'm not saying that violence against child brides didn't happen or even that it was rare. Although statistics are very difficult to obtain, it does seem frightfully common today in societies that practise child marriage. We know that domestic violence against grown women is inexcusably frequent even in "developed" countries; it is only more common in societies in which women are not regarded as full citizens and in which it's commonly accepted that a man has a right to beat his wife (a belief often promoted by religious authorities). (We Westerners should not be complacent about this, because it wasn't so long ago that most Christian denominations held similar beliefs.)

I can't help wondering if perhaps at least some teens who are "victimized" by adults suffer more from the social stigma of being labeled a victim of sexual abuse than they do from any direct effects of the actual "abuse." I recall reading, for example, that one of the boys who accused Michael Jackson of molesting him had to switch schools because he was being teased, bullied, and ostracized. And I've seen for myself how survivors of acquaintance-rape can expect to be treated if they try to come out of the closet in their community. I knew a woman who felt a sense of social responsibility (and some guilt about not having reported it in the first place, I think) to let others know that this man among them was a sicko, because she was aware that the chances are that if he's done it once he'll do it again. (The police request for information about similar actions on the part of Elders is probably based on similar statistics about men who pick up young girls.)

One other thing. I don't think this picture gives us much of an idea of how this guy looks -- of whether he could have realistically passed for a teenager. I regularly get mistaken for a teen or a college student (annoying when you want to order a drink), and I'm actually a little older than he is. I'm guessing the photo is a mug shot, and most people aren't exactly at their best when they're being arrested.

I'm not defending Elders for lying about his age or anything, I'm just saying we don't have all the facts and should avoid jumping to conclusions. Unless you're so na� that you really believe all 14-year-olds are innocent, helpless children who are too ignorant to make up their minds about what they do or don't want, you might want to withhold judgment on this one. As for the maturity issue, I don't see why choosing a partner for recreational sex requires so much maturity. In any case, maturity varies widely among individuals and sometimes seems totally independent of age. It seems to me a lot of people don't mature much between 14 and 40. (Some people may even start becoming *less* mature around the time when they reach middle age.) As for the "reasoning ability" of a 14-year-old, I think it's preposterous to say that a person's ability to reason improves that much between 14 and 16 (the age of consent in most states, at least those I'm aware of). The difference is certainly not one of intelligence, but of experience.

This is all just some food for thought. I want to stress that I'm not taking sides because, as I've said, I think there's Not Enough Information. But I do think government should take an interest in people's sex lives should only in extreme cases, and I do get a vibe that there was more at work here than the simplistic case of an evil pedophile manipulating an innocent child that the author of the article makes it out to be. Anyhow, I don't think a man should be branded a pedophile for being attracted to a teenager, which is not at all the same as being attracted to a prepubescent child. A fourteen-year-old is liable to be, at the least, physically mature, and I can't believe any American would deny that many teenaged girls can easily be considered quite sexy, by perfectly conventional standards.

Shay, the age of consent in most states is 16, get your facts straight.

I'm in Canada and the legal age of consent here (in Ontario, at least) is 14. Yup, that's right. FOURTEEN.

I know 2 girls from my high school who were having sex from 14 years of age. One friend even had an abortion at 14. If this girl was sleeping with a 15 year old boy would you be saying "poor child?". No, you'd be saying "what a little skank".

Yes, this creep DEFINITELY took advantage of a young girl. He is an adult and should have known better. I agree with Deborah Jean here, at the same time this girl could've said no. I didn't have sex until I was 20, even though I had a steady boyfriend in high school. He needs to go to jail and hopefully she learned a lesson.

I was with this guy for a very short period and of legal age mind you.... you could tell by the way he acted around people he was mentally unstable...

The girl involved should have told this creep to hit the highway - and I don't mean the Hershey one!

He got @ssraped himself by other prisoners... thats jailhouse carma

I normally wouldn't comment on a story like this, but the fact is a 14 yo girl is not capable of giving consent because legally a minor cannot consent, you have to be of the age of majority in order to give consent. And yes, at 14 if an adult convinces you to have a sexual relationship with them you have been victimized. At 14 any child does not understand enough about sex and relationships to know the difference and can easily be manipulated into saying yes when they shouldn't and may not want to. So yes, she was a non-consenting, victimized CHILD.

I totally agree that he is creepy, and according to the law it is Statutory Rape but our laws are so filled with inconsistency who knows if this will ever see the inside of a courtroom.

If they have sex at 14 we call them kids and charge statutory rape because they are not "old" enough to have the reasoning skills to consent, if they are abused at 14 by their parents or another adult it is Child Abuse....yet in most courts if they commit a crime we charge them as adults because they should know better and they should have the reasoning skills to not do it?!?!

Which is it, because our government wants to have it both ways....

Although I don't condone what this man did, she is NOT a victim. He should go to jail for statutory rape, and she should learn how to keep her legs closed, at least until she's of legal age anyway.

14? Too old!!!

"my CATHOLIC PRIVATE school. Result of this FREEING me: I was 22 the first time and I'm still with him now, 19 years later!"

I'm off to look for ex catholic private school girls.

Slamma teen her butt hole and pull out a chocodile

He IS her father

If only Mr. Elders were a brilliant movie director, some of you condemning his actions would be a little more understanding.

And he is still alive? Where is this girls father?

To make my stance perfectly clear, however, I am NOT condoning the actions of this 30 year old fat man-child trash. He is a perpetual dirtbag who will likely never change, and he probably needs to be put down, if not for this, than for what he may have done in the past or may do in the future.

While I don't have any strong feelings of sympathy for the young woman, I still think this dude has no place in society, except maybe a cell or a grave.

Alright, the dude's nasty and all, but I have to wonder about the so-called "victim" here. There's obviously a LOT of cases of rape where the victim is completely defenseless, taken advantage of (ie: drugged, bound) or whatever; this isn't one of them.

First off, unless this girl hitched her ride to this event on the short bus, how on earth could she possibly buy the idea that the guy's only 17 years old? Really now? TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MUG. Any 14 year old girl who isn't mentally handicapped who actually buys into the dude's story is either incredibly stupid, or, *GASP* the much more likely scenario is she didn't give a crap how old he was at the time.

I know, old freaky men getting it on with young girls is bad and the dude should be punished accordingly, but I'm not buying that this girl is a "victim" in any way, shape or form. Was this statutory rape? You bet your ass. Did she consent, probably knowing he was an adult? YUP.

Show me a case where a dude goes upside a girl's head with a crowbar and drags her into his car, I'll call for his execution. This shit, however, is just amusing.

I agree with "OK?" above: SOME girls at 14 are more mature and therefore able to make decisions - and use condoms - better than some 18 year olds, who don't make the safe choices. Women used to get married at that age and younger. What happened since? When I was 15, my mother (who is French) told me that I was allowed to bring a boyfriend - when I got one - home and he could have dinner at the house and we could use the bedroom and condoms! I knew a LOT because it had been taught in details in my CATHOLIC PRIVATE school. Result of this FREEING me: I was 22 the first time and I'm still with him now, 19 years later!