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Peter Kinder: Eyewitness Contradicts Lt. Gov's Account of Pantless Party

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A patron at Verlin's says that Chapman told her about Kinder's offer on the same day he popped into the bar where she works.
Last week, attempting some long-overdue damage control, Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder essentially confirmed major chunks of our August 9 blog post -- in which former Penthouse Pet Tammy Chapman alleged Kinder was one of her best customers in the early 90s, when she was a stripper and he was a state senator.

Kinder admitted that he watched Chapman strip in Sauget at least ten times. He admitted he had "a romantic attraction" for her. And he admitted that, yes, in early 2011, he'd shown up at Verlin's, a bar which now advertises its "pantless parties," and posed for the picture that ultimately ended up being sent to the RFT.

Of course he's still arguing about some details. He says he never asked Chapman to move into his campaign-financed Brentwood condo. And, he says, he never asked her to email him the photo -- he claims Chapman or her friend John Ross must have sent it to the RFT in a concerted effort to smear his name. (See our post on why that's not true.) Those have become the main arguments of the people standing by Kinder, such as Lloyd Smith, executive director of the Missouri Republican Party.

But we've now spoken with a guy who was at Verlin's on the day Kinder dropped by -- and his story appears to contradict some of Kinder's key contentions.

Robert Taylor, 48, had no idea that what he was witnessing that day at Verlin's would become the talk of the town. A St. Louis pipefitter, he just stopped in for a late lunch because he likes Verlin's chicken wings. But what Taylor observed could blow a hole in two of Kinder's key denials.

Kinder walked in, Taylor recalls, and Chapman told Taylor that he was the lieutenant governor. "I wouldn't have known otherwise," Taylor says. Then the bartender and the politician chatted for awhile at the other end of the bar -- out of earshot.

But Taylor saw Chapman snap the now-infamous photo on her phone, just as she told the RFT. And he saw her "doing a bunch of buttons on the phone" soon after. ("There wasn't a whole lot going on in there that day," Taylor recalls, so he couldn't help watching the pair.) After Kinder left -- like Chapman, Taylor doesn't remember him staying all that long -- Chapman explained that she'd been asked to email Kinder the picture.

Oh, and Kinder also asked her something else, Chapman told Taylor.

"She told me that he'd offered her a place to stay," Taylor says. Taylor also recalls a key detail which Chapman told us during our interview August 9, but which we left out of our initial report: When Chapman explained that a condo in Brentwood was out of the question since she didn't drive anymore, Kinder told her he could arrange for a car service.

"She also said he'd made her uncomfortable years before," Taylor adds.

Taylor says he's not political and has nothing to gain by sharing his memories. "I don't know Peter Kinder other than watching him walk in that day," he says. "I didn't even get introduced to him!"

But his story could be damaging.

Kinder claims that he stopped by Verlin's that late-winter day to use the bathroom and then posed for a picture at Chapman's behest. He supposedly did this even after, he claims, Democrats tried to bring up Chapman in the 2008 campaign. (Although, for the record, no Democrats seem to have any recollection of that supposed smear.) Then, he says, he left.

Kinder told the Post-Dispatch's Jake Wagman that he has no idea how Chapman knew he had a condo in Brentwood. He suggested that Chapman must have gotten info about the condo from his campaign-finance reports.

Forget, for the moment, the weird suggestion that a blond bombshell/ex-stripper/bartender would pore over campaign-finance reports looking for dirt. If Taylor's telling the truth -- and there's no reason to believe he isn't -- Kinder's got a bigger problem on his hands than simply common sense.

And that's this: For Chapman to tell Taylor about the condo offer that day, she would have had to pore over those reports prior to Kinder's visit on the off chance he just might stop by, even though they hadn't seen each other in years.

Leaving beside the question of why she'd do such dutiful background research, in this case, it would be literally impossible: The first report to mention the Brentwood condo wasn't filed with the Missouri Ethics Commission until April 15, weeks after Kinder showed up at Verlin's. The condo was also mentioned in the Post-Dispatch, but that was also in April -- again, long after Chapman told Robert Taylor about Kinder's offer.

If Robert Taylor is telling the truth -- and again, there's no reason to believe he isn't -- Peter Kinder has to be lying.

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27 comments
MadoMadMan
MadoMadMan

Lying by a republican is just as easy as breathing to them. 

Sorely Frickey
Sorely Frickey

To increase the usefulness of political stories like this, you should require commenters to, e.g., state their views on our high unemployment, the 40% increase in the national debt over the last couple of years, our current three wars, and whether they admit to being religious bigots who couldn't vote for a Mormon presidential candidate. It would also help if commenters pointed to other articles in the RFT that gave them helpful information on these subjects.

Ron Finger
Ron Finger

Why is it that these old creepos always make up some dumb excuse for being in this Creeper bar? I like their chicken wings. First.....you are a grimy worthless Pipe fitter, so who cares that you like to go to dirty old men bars and throw your boner at girls who wouldn't give you the time of day in real life.  The fact that you have to lie about why you go to a bar like this destroys any credibility you think you have. And I think Peter Kinder is a creep.

Why would you go to a bar with virtually no parking to use the rest room......when there is a well lit Fast Food restaurant with ample parking right down the street? Unless the reason is the person you are stalking is not there and they are actually at the creeper bar down the street. Why is the Lt Gov driving around the 17th Ward unescorted?

Why am I paying a guy this stupid to be Lt Gov? 

MrsGarrison
MrsGarrison

Lets see Mr Taylor's picture and police record prior to our believing your 15th recalling of the same story. 

Bobby  Dylan
Bobby Dylan

She was workin' in a topless place And I stopped in for a beer,I just kept lookin' at the side of her face In the spotlight so clear.And later on as the crowd thinned out I's just about to do the same,She was standing there in back of my chair Said to me, "Don't I know your name?"I muttered somethin' underneath my breath, She studied the lines on my face.I must admit I felt a little uneasy When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe,Tangled up in blue.

KITTY
KITTY

CRAIGSLIST: FOR SALE, SARAH FENSKE'S CUM STAINED PANTIES. THE PIPE DID FIT HER UNTIL IT EXPLODED. $.99 OR $1.99 AUTOGRAPHED.

Mike N.
Mike N.

I don't know anything about these Kinder-is-gay rumors, but that's at least something you're born with.  Stalking skanky strippers at the even skankier Diamond Caberet at the skankville Sauget is something you *choose* to do.  I would like my elected officials to exercise better judgement [especially considering he was an elected official at the time!]

Come on
Come on

Ok, look.  Enough of this, RFT.  Youre wasting our time.  Get your a**es out there and find Kinder's STL boyfriend.  You know, the black guy.  You can start by asking Gentry and then by moving on to tweeting patricialicious.  They all know, theyre just waiting to be asked.  (Or you could just stake out Kinder's condo, duh.)

Lord Byron
Lord Byron

"A place to stay" is quid pro Kinder for co-ordinating his vast collection of assless chaps.

Anonymous
Anonymous

RFT's morality, or lack of it, doesn't change what Kinder's done, or his hypocritical espousing of "Family Values."

If Chapman's supposed to be a beard, you'd think Kinder's campaign would've been smart enough to pick some random floozy off the street and not one with damning testimony. Even if it were true that he was gay, let the "Family Values" party worry about it instead of giving it attention. He's got enough other shit on himself that he'll need to answer for.

Kinder's campaign is scrambling, doing damage control and keeps on weaving this haphazard web and covering up misdeeds with lies, misdirection and speculation, but "if he's done nothing wrong, he's got nothing to worry about," right? Get off his dick already.

Nick Naylor
Nick Naylor

I love how the Riverfront Times makes sure to give Mr. Taylor's participation in this ordeal a preemptive alibi by adding "he just stopped in for a late lunch because he likes Verlin's chicken wings".  Is that to make sure his employer (assuming he is employed) or his family isn't wondering why he's sitting in a bar in the late afternoon?  It wouldn't be unusual to see a union pipefitter in a bar in late afternoon, just not eating chicken wings... 

handsome jimmy
handsome jimmy

Why won't Kinder just wear the story proudly? So he chased some stripper tale on the east side, hell, what man hasn't been to the shake joints? What man hasn't been hung up on a few titty dancers? It's all good Pete, all the guys understand...really, we do. It's just the easily-outraged and religious wing nuts that have their panties in a wad over this story. Man up and declare that you are just a red blooded true American male and you love you some titty dancers and fuck em' if they can't take a joke. Again, all the guys will nod in agreement.

Southernthunder
Southernthunder

Wow.  Let me get this straight (no pun intended).  A single guy goes to a strip club and the Riverfront Times being the bastion of morality that they are create a news story based on a stripper.  I love strippers personally, but they pretend to like guys to get their money.  They get paid to get naked.  What else has this chick been paid for???  Of course she can't be lying because they have a union worker to back up her story against a Republican elected official.  I'm quite certain that this brilliant union worker . . . as they all are, should certainly be able to recall this event as it transpired a long time ago.  She sure seems like Kinder creeped her out in the picture she had snapped. 

George Hamilton
George Hamilton

"If Robert Taylor is telling the truth -- and again, there's no reason to believe he isn't -- Peter Kinder has to be lying."  Are you kidding me?  Your story is based on this?  Not political?  He's a union pipefitter, which is by very nature political.  Taylor will be the toast of the union hall for his contribution. 

Guest
Guest

Come on guys!  Peter went in there with the intention of getting a picture snapped with an ex stripper to make him appear hetrosexual!   What better way to derail for the rest of the state (not in Cape Girardeau where gay rumors have surrounded Peter for 30+ years) from asking if the gay rumors are true.  I believe his campaign leaked the photo to the press.  If you read the Dean Martin song quote from the STL Post article you think he must be gay.  Never heard anything like that from a straight guy who saw a stripper!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

GIBBERISH GIBBERISH GIBBERISH ALL CAPS GIBBERISH GIBBERISH LAME ASS SEXUAL JOKES GIBBERISH GIBBERISH AGHLGAHLAGHLAGHLAGHLAGHLAGHLAGLHHAGLLAGHHLAGLHAGHLAGLHAGHLAGHLAGLHHGLALHAGHGALHGALHLAGHAGHLHLAGLHGALHGAHLAGLHLAGHLAGLHGALHAG

There, fixed that for you.

Bill Hannegan
Bill Hannegan

Tammy Chapman worked with the RFT on this story and paid a personal price for doing so. You owe it to her to delete comments like this one. If you start deleting these right away, they will stop being posted.

anonymous
anonymous

bawahahahahaha, finally the truth comes out...

Ron Finger
Ron Finger

He is just an innocent by stander who loves chicken wings......Why are you such a racist Nick?

Mike N.
Mike N.

But it's the "easily-outraged and religious wing nuts" that make up the republican base.  Therein lies the problem.

Virtualgoatee
Virtualgoatee

This comment is just like your name implies... a Brain Fart... You got a south butt jacket southern thunder?

KITTY
KITTY

I sometimes write in all caps so anal retentive cock suckers like you get the point.

Mike N.
Mike N.

Come on Bill, stick to your anti-anti-smoking comments.  You can't really believe that someone who stripped fully naked on the east side and did a gynocological photo shoot in Penthouse can't be referred to as 'skanky'? 

Anonymous
Anonymous

The caps didn't help. What WAS your point besides shooting the messenger?

Lord Byron
Lord Byron

When you get inspired like this, Kitty, I imagine that your fat rolls positively glisten with sweat -- from the unibrowed obese retard with low self-esteem penetrating you. 

Bill Hannegan
Bill Hannegan

Mike N., maybe I don't understand the meaning of the word skanky and I owe you an apology. I am really curious about the true meaning of words and want to get this one straight. Are you saying that all magazine porn models, harlots, hookers and strippers, no matter how pretty, are too some extent skanky by their trade? Is skanky the opposite of classy rather than pretty? If so, I misunderstood.

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