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St. Louis Firefighters Rescue Pit Bull Pups; Will It Come Back to Bite Us?

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Pit bull pups. So adorable -- today.
I admit. Perhaps if they were golden retrievers or a less menacing breed of dog, I'd feel a bit more compassion for the big news story of yesterday.

As you've probably heard, a team of as many as twenty St. Louis firefighters reportedly spent six hours yesterday afternoon and into the evening trying to save five pit bull puppies in north St. Louis. The owner of the dogs had left them in a garage where the animals fell into a six-inch sewer pipe.

According to one account, the pups likely became trapped Wednesday night, but weren't discovered missing until Thursday midday when a neighborhood girl asked to see the puppies and they could not be found. Fire crews used ropes, water and even a Roto-Rooter technician to try to coax/flush the pups from the pipe. Three of the puppies survived the ordeal. Another was pulled out but died, and the fifth remained trapped last night and is likely dead.

No word on how the animals got into the pipe, but there must not have been a cover on the pipe opening. The Humane Society of Missouri says it plans to return to the home this week to monitor the condition of the puppies. Judging from the packed-dirt backyard littered with debris that was shown in newscasts of the event, the puppies weren't exactly living in pristine conditions.

St. Louis is currently experiencing a stray dog crisis and essentially has no animal control department to deal with dangerous canines. Aldermen in north St. Louis, where these dogs were trapped, say that stray dogs abound in their neighborhoods and threaten the safety of residents. In their minds, the city has a feral dog problem. The city's health department, meanwhile, says the city has an irresponsible pet-owner problem.

Oke-dokee. Still, one wonders: What will happen to these adorable pit bull pups once they become adults?

Let's hope that yesterday's incident was a fluke, and that the owner of the puppies is indeed responsible. Still, someone -- the city or Humane Society -- should monitor these pups for more than just the next week or two. And, we might suggest, get them spayed and neutered right away to prevent their offspring from tumbling into a similar fate and falling into the care of St. Louis taxpayers.

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Theangelsees5i0
Theangelsees5i0

Dear Art, and every other ignorant fuck out there who thinks pit bulls are dangerous: first of all, pits were originally bred as companion dogs, and they are one of the only dog breeds that originated in America, as well as the only one that has been on the cover of time magazine more than once. Second, the vast majority of statistics on pit bull attacks come from highly populated urban areas where the breed is prevalent. DUH there are more pit bull attacks, THERE ARE MORE PIT BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!! One of my dad's best friends was nearly killed right in front of me by a dog. And do you know what breed that dog was? A border collie. Pit bulls are amazing, sweet dogs with a horrible reputation. It is NOT their fault that their jaw muscles are naturally larger. It is NOT their fault that they are TRAINED AND ABUSED into aggression. And it is NOT their fault that ignorant, small-minded people like you spread hatred and fear that results in even more of the same, leading to their death, abuse, torture, and abandonment. So before you go spreading your stupidity to people who deserve to know the truth, maybe you should try owning a pit, and seeing what gentle, loving, beautiful creatures they are. And, if you are unwilling to do so, then kindly FUCK OFF and leave the rest of the world to learn on their own.

Flawlesscashgif
Flawlesscashgif

Punish the Deed not the Breed..all pitbulls are not dangerous any dog can and will bite, blue pitbulls at this day in age very popular and I love pitbulls.

golden retriever names
golden retriever names

This is nice post. Missouri Animal Protection Association, said it plans to return home this week, monitoring the status of the dog. Littered with debris, packing dirt backyard in the event of the news broadcasts, the dog does not live entirely in the original condition.

Ryan
Ryan

Breeds of dogs haven't really changed over the last century but people have.  To classify the pit bull dog breeds as menacing is a severe stretch of the truth which would only apply to less than 0.5% or 1/2 of 1% of the entire pit bull population everywhere.  These "menacing" dogs generally need to be tortured beyond comprehension to become menacing and that is generally limited to other dogs which falls back on people.   They are great companions Chad.  Go adopt one.

Anon
Anon

You have problems.

NameGameContestant
NameGameContestant

Everyone needs to just calm down.  You're all arguing over one persons twisted blog opinion.  Since Chad is unable to research and provide an unbiased article, blogging is his game.  And, let's face it, we all have a right to our own opinion.

We also have the right to our property, to innocent until proven guilty, and equal protection under the law, same as free speech.

When people like Art and Debbie Bell spout off it's simply their opinion they too are projecting.  No one REALLY listens to them.  "They", under their anonymous pseudo-personalities post on 'articles', 'blogs' and stories ALL DAY, EVERY day trying so desperately to promote the hatefilled blog(s) they continuously link to their comments. 

It's really 'self-promotion' at it's most pitiful, most desperate! Based on fear and hatred, 'they' dedicate themselves to a subject that, if it were so 'obvious' to the rest of us would not need the degree of promotion they invest.

This is their mission, the only thing in life they have to cling to, to make them feel warm and fuzzy and important.  Sad, but obvious. 

Put this nonsensical blog of Chad's to rest and let Art/Debbie move on to their next little stage where they can again post links and call names and behave like hateful, immature 'wanna-be-know-it-alls' and let's just all go out and enjoy our well-mannered, friendly, fun-loving pit bulls. Getting out there and letting the public see the REAL pit bulls sends a far louder message than any of the hate-filled words they spew!

js55610
js55610

And I'll bet my life savings that you have NEVER really spent any time with any Pit Bulls, correct? And I'll ALSO BET you don't know the story of the Vick dogs (his former fighting dogs) and how some of them are now therapy dogs working with children???? Am I right,  Chad Garrison??

js55610
js55610

Wow...you certainly generated a lot of attention from this blog post.

Vox
Vox

Coloreds should not be allowed to have pets. They've never been domesticated themselves. Nary a day goes by when the Afrin-Markins don't put shame on every neighborhood and street in America.

Theangelsees5i0
Theangelsees5i0

 ummm.....excuse me? wow....you're a racist fucktard who shouldn't be replying to the posts of other ignorant people and spreading your hatred. WTF is an Afrin-Markin? they're black. and they have as much right to own pets as white people. Have you not met some of the inbred white fuckers that let their dogs run loose and kill little kids because they never feed them???

SAM
SAM

Mr. Garrison, I must say I'm quite disappointed by your article. Granted it is your personal opinion and you are certainly allowed to voice it, but you should conduct more research into your subject before you form your opinion and publish it for the masses to view. It is pure ignorance, lack of knowledge and poor reporting that will continue this ridiculous breed specific discrimination. First of all the majority of stray and abandoned dogs are not aggressive, secondly if every dog bite was reported you would realize that at least 95% are from so called ankle biters not large breed or bully breed dogs ! If Mr. Garrison you take a newborn child and teach it hatred, beat it, abuse it verbally and physically, teach it to attack others then you only have the parent of that child to blame for its behavior in childhood and beyond. Yet if you love your child and teach it respect and rules and how to be kind to others then you will most likely end up with a decent adult ! The same equation works with dogs. It is the owner not the animal, and in most cases of a large dog or bully breed biting incidents it usually stems from someone taunting or hurting the dog, prior to it, defending itself by biting.  The gentry and wealthy of this country and in the UK a mere 100 years ago kept Bully Breed dogs because they were loyal, loving and most importantly children friendly, but you would have known that Mr. Garrison if you had done what a journalist should do before he reports on a subject and that is to RESERCH it ! I would be more than happy to send you numerous links and web pages on the history of the breed and how wonderful these dogs truly are !  I do agree however with the city when it says it's the BAD OWNERS to blame for the amount of stray and abandoned dogs !  I also agree with NEUTERING and SPAYING ALL DOGS regardless of BREED.

Jessiemeyr2
Jessiemeyr2

They should have arrested that asshole for animal abuse just for the heavy chain around the mama dog's neck and the trash pit he has her living in.  

HEY CHAD....Do you want to address a real problem and not some could be fiction regarding puppies????  Explain why all of the neglected, starving, abused and tortured dogs as well as the majority of strays come from North St. Louis, whether they are pit bulls or pomeranians.  Blog yourself an answer about that .   Maybe because it is generally lower income???  NO!!  I would be considered poor but would never chain my dog up to a dumpster and leave it to die,  or let it starve to death tied up in the yard while my fat ass is living high on the food stamp hog,  nor would I abuse it so bad to put it in a dog fight for a couple of extra dollars if it wins.   I"m sure you have all of the answers Chad so explain to me what the hell is wrong with that section of St. Louis and don't give me the poverty load of crap.

Pam (& My Pit Bull Bella)
Pam (& My Pit Bull Bella)

Chad---Shame on you.  Maybe a ride-along with Randy @ Stray Rescue would give you a better perspective, thus a better article.

Art--- I truly feel a deep sense of sadness for you.  You must be miserable living in such a "narrow minded" state.  The depth of your sadness is expressed repeatedly in your search to sway "open minded" people to agree with your ranting.  Again, my sincere sympathy for your life of bigotry.

D Marston
D Marston

Of more concern should have been the not so great conditions that the dogs were living in, the huge chain around momma dogs neck and the fact that momma and puppies were outside in this heat, I am wondering if the owners intentions were not so honorable. This would concern me no matter what the breed, I happen to have a terrier mix foster dog and he is the sweetest dog, he loves kids and the only danger you would be in is if he would lick you to death.If you do not like dogs, or one breed in particular please do not bash them to those of us who have lived with one, loved one, and know the truth about them. 

Rhett Nicks
Rhett Nicks

"I admit. Perhaps if they were golden retrievers or a less menacing breed of dog, I'd feel a bit more compassion for the big news story of yesterday."

I admit, perhaps if journalists spoke more from research and data than from ignorance and hyperbole I'd feel a bit more compassion for them being ignorant useless beings they tend to be.

The hilarity of the misguided claim in your opening line is truly astonishing. Golden Retreivers score lower on the American Temperament Test than your "menacing" pit bulls, assuming the rescued dogs are American Pit Bull Terriers.  (http://atts.org/breed-statisti... Ten seconds and Google will solve the giant lazy streak you seem to have and help stop the pathetic misinformed drivel you are tacitly pushing with comments like your opening line. When did the phrase, "I admit" become a sentence?

This is a truly pathetic article.

SyLabus
SyLabus

Articles like this continue to feed the prejudice and hysteria regarding pit bulls. Unless you have several years of direct experience working with a variety of dog breeds, then this is not journalism, it is merely your opinion.  And a mean-spirited one, at that.

Yes, some pit bulls are dangerous - that's because they've been deliberately bred for aggression. Within 5 generations or less, any breed can be taken from mild to aggressive, or the reverse. Just Google the research on such an experiment with foxes.

No responsible owner would allow such a situation to occur. The pups should be taken from him. As to their future disposition, that will depend partly on their genetics and partly on how they are raised. Hopefully the former is good, and the latter will improve 180 degrees as soon as they are placed under proper care.   

Rebecca L.
Rebecca L.

I'd have to agree with the city health department.   99.9% of the stray population is a result of irresponsible people, the majority of which are in north St. Louis.   You don't hear of a huge stray issue in other areas such as Ballwin, Crestwood or Eureka.  North St. Louis is filled with backyard breeders who prefer to repeatedly get their dogs knocked up to sell the puppies as a means of income instead of getting a real job.  They can't afford to keep them if they don't sell them so you find them all over the streets.   Let's face the facts,  dogs are not the issue or the root of the problem,  the people are and until you fix the people or the mentality of those people (which will never happen)  the end result of their laziness, ignorance and burden on society,  you will always have to pick up after them which in a lot of cases are dogs that never asked to be there in the first place.

Case in point:  Two years ago we decided to take the Metro Link to the baseball game.  Upon returning home, we sat behind two young African American girls with a young (3-4 year old) boy.  The boy started crying a little bit and one of the girls responded by holding her fist to his cheek and telling him that "if he didn't shut the fuck up, she was doing to punch him in his fucking face".   If you expect people with that kind of mentality to responsibly take care of animals,  you are delusional.  Until you fix that,  you will always have problems with more than just stray dogs.

SyLabus
SyLabus

Amen to that. If I could click the Like button a thousand times, I would. Stray dogs are a PEOPLE problem. Do you think any dog wants to be lost and starving? Where people are decent, they stop to help these dogs, and thus they do not go on to breed and multiply. Where ever people are ignorant, selfish and lazy, they cause and perpetuate the problem.

Clay Hund
Clay Hund

ok, let's compare dogs of the same or larger sizes to pit bulls then. Labs can and do attack. They are responsible for more dog bites then any other breed. I know, it is because they are the most popular and abundant breed. Well, pit bull are very popular and abundant as well, thus a lot of dog bites. The numbers in pit bulls are higher also, because pit bulls consist of many different breeds, They really only make up for true breeds, but as far as reporting is concerned, especially by biased sources, many other breeds are counted as pit bulls. I personally have never witnessed a dog aggressive or people aggressive pit bull, but a pit bulls instinct is not to fight. No dog likes to or wants to fight. They are just so darned loyal, if they are ordered to fight they will. Pit bulls are terriers, which are hunting dogs, so yes, there can be dog on dog aggression against small dogs, as that is like small game for pit bulls. Responsible owners curb that behavior through early socialization and neutering, which is the proper thing to do for all breeds. These dogs are one of the oldest breeds out there, and most of their existence they have been farm dogs or hunters. People think you can breed two mean dogs, and come out with means dogs, but it simply isn't true, because viciousness isn't a trait of the wolf, which is where all dogs come from, therefore if viciousness was to be included in the pit bull or any other breed, it would have to be artificially included in their DNA, and that technology is non-existent. So before making assumptions about instincts and breeding, learn about them first, and you will see there is no possible way to put something into a dog that doesn't exist. Breeding for physical traits is easy, but breeding for, temperament is nearly impossible, and just like a human, behavior is learned; not a natural instinct. If you were to clone Hitler 100 times, and raised him in 100 different environments, never would we end up with the Hitler we had, and every Hitler would be different. A pit bull in a good environment is usually a good dog, hence the reason you never hear of pit bull storiess coming from a good area with responsible people. 

Edstrom269
Edstrom269

Chad, your bias shows through clear as a bell.  You should do your research before writing such one-sided articles and helping to continue the misperceptions about this breed. Shame on you.  You owe those 9 puppies (and the men who saved them an apology).

Keepsake16
Keepsake16

my rescue pits are raising feral kittens, jerk, become educated

Keepsake16
Keepsake16

Were you born an idiot or have you worked on it your whole lie

Jamie Kasberg Bright
Jamie Kasberg Bright

MEN are the main purveyors of murder, rape, assault, torture, theft, and everything else wrong with the world. should we be fearful of all men, ban them, kill them off because of statistics? do you brain dead sheltered idiots not think WHY this breed is attacking more than others? WHO is torturing and beating them into monsters? keeping them locked up, unsocialized, on a chain in the backyard in the heat and the cold.. you people are sick blaming the #1 victim of animal cruelty and neglect. pit bulls are just like any other dog. it wants to be loved, and only does what it thinks it has to. shame on all your ignorance. go volunteer at the humane society and watch as they bring in half eaten pit bulls that were the loser in a fight, or the emaciated ones who can't even walk but still wag their tails and lick you. you make me sick. racist "dog lovers" who kick the ones in need the most. i hate this society.

Alice L.
Alice L.

You are so right!!!!!   Amen to that!!!!    I couldn't agree with you more.   This breed of dog which is one of the best family dogs you can get has been tortured by undesirables, crucified by the media,  and kicked in the face by the uneducated who believe sensationalism to be fact.  Its one of the saddest situations I have seen.   Here is a prime example of the stupidity of man,  in certain areas BSL makes it illegal to responsibly own a pit bull as a family pet,  but you can be Warren Jeffs or any of the old bastards in their commune and rape 12 year old girls, some as young as 9 years old under some freedom of religion argument.   I too hate this society.  The more people I meet or read from,  the more I like my dogs.   

Louie Suave
Louie Suave

Chad - you should be ashamed of blaming the breed for sins of the human . . . dumb of you.  You should print a public apology . . .

Mike N.
Mike N.

Chad, you did this on purpose, didn't you...

Elisabethd
Elisabethd

A dog's fate, regardless of its breed will generally depend on the zip code it is placed in.   Judging by the surroundings where the puppies were rescued from they probably will end up getting picked up by a rescue group or dumped somewhere.   The people obviously couldn't take care of their own property which looked like a dump,  why would they take care of puppies.

Sonia Zuroweste Wagner
Sonia Zuroweste Wagner

Art - you do not come off as very intelligent or well informed yourself.  For starters, I don't even have to do the research because I've spent enough volunteering at Stray Rescue and been around the Pit Bulls there (most of the dogs there are at least a terrier mix) to know that these dogs aren't the vicious, evil creatures they are made out to be.  But a simple google search can provide a wealth of information:  http://www.google.com/#hl=en&a...

Chad - I'm actually a bit disappointed by this story.  I generally like what you write but it isn't right to determine what these dogs will be like when they are adults.

Art
Art

Oh well, of course.  You don't have to do research.  You know because you've spent some time with some pit bulls.  So the fact that pit bulls were responsible for 22 of the 33 people killed by dogs in 2010 means nothing to you.  Because a few pitties you met didn't hurt YOU, everyone should stop thinking and just gaze at the beauteous and knowlegeable Sonia Zuroweste Wagner of the clueless gaze and the bare shoulders and ask her what to think.

Maybe she'll do a fan dance and cure cancer for us as we watch.

Theangelsees5i0
Theangelsees5i0

 Art, I hope someone shoots you in the face. Just like they do to dogs on St, Louis streets all the time, just because they're pit bulls. Do the world a favor and go smash your head in with a brick. Fuck you.

Art
Art

It is laughable that pit bull ownership fanatics throw the words "ignorant" and "uneducated" around and then cite the nanny dog myth as truth.  We never had a national canine babysitter folks!

People today are careful to say, but-you-should-never-leave-any-child-alone-with-any-dog right after they say pit bulls were nanny dogs!  You sound ridiculous.

If you can find one mention of "nanny dog" from the late 19th or early 20th centuries, you are doing better than everyone else and you should herald it!

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

It is difficult to have a lot of feeling for tax dollars going to save puppies owned by a demonstrably irresponsible owner in a neighborhood already over run with stray dogs - probably mostly pit bulls - that's all the author of the opinion piece is saying.

Mandatory S/N for all pit bulls!

Theangelsees5i0
Theangelsees5i0

We may not have had a "nanny dog", but pit bulls ARE America's dog.  They're the only breed that has been on the cover of Time magazine more than once, they have been used to sell shoes and other products, "Petey" from "The Little Rascals" was a pitbull, as was Hellen Keller's beloved dog. Before you spew your hatred, try doing REAL research.

Elisabethd
Elisabethd

The term "nanny dog" was popular in England and France,  not the United States,  Art.   You can't discriminate against any dog just because it was thrown into a shit hole neighborhood.  The majority of the stray dogs are not full bred terriers,  they are mutts.   The biggest problem is the huge moral decay of society where the respect for other people,  property and even their pets has disappeared into the big shit hole of their neighborhoods.   No amount of tax dollars is going to fix that.

Art
Art

Oh, well now you're making up new stuff.  France?  I understand french so if you find french sources for the "nanny dog" phrase from the 19th or early 20th century, je les comprendrai.

I have found nothing from England.  If you find an english source, please share it with me.  I did find the origin of the phrase.  It is american and from the 1970s.

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

If moral decay were responsible for the pit bull's extraordinary maul and kill rates, we would also see a proportionate rise in maul and kill rates by all dogs as society sinks into a hole.  We don't.  Maulings and killings by all other dogs have decreased even as the population increases.  We see as pit bulls become more numerous, their maul and kill rates grow.  That is why 22 of the 33 fatalities in 2010 were by pit bulls.

I do believe that the rise in popularity of a fighting dog does coincides with society's sinking into a hole.  I find that as people become less compassionate, empathic, friendly, intelligent, and social, they tend to get pit bulls which is a way to say to your neighbors, "EFF you, I don't care about your quality of life or your ability to sell your home.  I want our neighborhood to become a ghetto."

Art
Art

Aww, I see you as a little girl, so it doesn't matter, does it?  I'll still show you how to tell fact from fiction, if you'd like.

Danielles
Danielles

Aww,  thanks Art!    Are you married, single or other? 

Art
Art

Yes, all caps and lots of punctuation marks make you look smart.  go with that.

Mike N.
Mike N.

Isn't it ironic that pit bull fans are so... rabid.

Elisabethd
Elisabethd

So people who like or support pit bulls are fanatics or rabid but you haters are not?   Your generalization of bully breed lovers seems a little like the news stories about them in the past...sensationalized.

james
james

"Perhaps if they were golden retrievers or a less menacing breed of dog, I'd feel a bit more compassion for the big news story of yesterday."  What a disgusting and ignorant thing to say. Please do some research on pit bulls or go volunteer at a rescue/shelter and get to know the breed before you condemn with uneducated remarks.

Perhaps you could start here www.badrap.org

Jennifer D Hartsfield
Jennifer D Hartsfield

Why would you insinuate that little babies of ANY breed or species don't deserve to be rescued because of your prejudices? That is like saying that a black baby, or hispanic baby deserves to be safe less than a white baby. All have the potential for evil, not just because of what they look like. There are plenty of Pit Bulls out there that are GOOD! Look up "For Pits Sake", it is an all Pit Bull Search and Rescue team.

Debbie Bell
Debbie Bell

When people compare little dog bites to fighting dog bites, you know that they don't have a clue about the damage a fighting-bred dog can inflict.

Children bite too, but no adult has ever needed a helicopter ride to a trauma center because of a child's bite.  Damage matters.

Every pit bull website states that even iwth early socialization, dog aggression (DA) is common in adult pit bulls. It is instinct.  Instinct means no training required.

Why would anyone who truly cares about dog welfare want the abilities and instincts is kill other dogs to be continued?  All dogs, especially the pit bulls themselves, suffer from this cruel handicap.

 Unless you support dog fighting, these instincts should be permitted to become extinct.

Free, mandatory spay/neuter/ microchipping for all pits and all DA dogs.

js55610
js55610

Debbie Bell, here's the thing.......I'm well aware that for a lot of Pit Bulls, animal aggression can be a problem, due the the history of the breed.  HOWEVER, I have a Pit Bull who LOVES ALL OTHER DOGS...the only creature I have to watch her around is cats (but she is even okay around my parents' cat, because she senses she is part of the family...still won't let her off the leash around her though).  My neighbor's JACK RUSSELL TERRIER KILLED MY BEST FRIEND'S CAT.  My mom's dachshund that she grew up with annihilated her neighbor's Yorkie's 1 week old puppies in their very own drive way...it was horrible and very sad.   ANY BREED THAT HAS TERRIER IN THEM has the potential to have animal aggressive tendencies....it just so happens that Pit Bulls are the largest of them, and because of their unfair "tough dog" status, for years have been the breed of choice for irresponsible, asshole owners who could give a rat's ass about the wellfare of their dog, but care solely on using their pit bull as just that a "status symbol."  They either train it for dog fighting, wrongly train it to be a guard dog (google "guard dog breeds" - 18 breeds are listed, NOT THE PIT BULL.  They then say, "note that most American Pit Bull Terriers lack guard dog instincts"...because THEY LOVE PEOPLE. 

Suzanne
Suzanne

Debbie you need to get your facts straight before you start bad-mouthing Pitbulls. You claim that every Pitbull website states that dog aggression is common in adult Pitbulls!? Really!? You need to do your research before saying that. Why don't you go and check out websites that show the data from the temperament testing done on ALL breeds and you will see how wrong you are. Pitbulls actually score VERY WELL!! Much higher than MOST "family preferred" breeds.

Jeffjor
Jeffjor

You're an idiot.  Get your facts straight.   You obviously have not done any research.   Here are some facts for you.1.   There is no such breed as a pit bull.  The term pit bull encompasses all terrier groups.2.   In temperament testing by the National Canine Temperament Testing Association,  "pit bulls"  rank second as the LEAST provocable breed of dogs disproving they are inherently aggressive.  These tests include three different provoking situations in a random park setting including people and other dogs.  The fact is that you are 99% more likely to get bitten or attacked by any other breed of dog before you would a pit bull.   3.   Pit bulls were bred to be emotionally supportive and were the first breed of dog used for therapy dogs,  and they were also the first breed of dog used by law enforcement.4.   The pit bull was known as America's dog for the last century.  The breeds haven't changed in 100 years,  its the people that have changed.   Helen Keller had a  pit bull.5.   Pit bulls were initially bred for hog farming    6.   Their jaw structure is no different than any other dog.7.   they are great with kids and referred to in England as nanny dogs.

In short,  to say they have instincts to kill other dogs is so laughably ridiculous and ignorant that you obviously use shock journalism as your fact base.    Dogs have to be tortured from puppy age on to be used in dog fighting.   They are afraid of humans from the abuses they have endured,  so if you see a scarred up pit coming your direction,  he will be more afraid of you than you are of him.   People like you who rant inaccuracies based on nonfactual sensationalism are the reason the breeds are disciminated against.   You should be more afraid of the piece of shit living in your neighborhood who ties the dog up on a heavy chain like the mama dog in the pictures,  or tortures the dog hoping to make money off it by forcing it into a dog fight.

Last year a lab jumped the fence to get into my yard and attacked my pit bull.  I had to jump in and save my pit because the lab was choking his neck.   I managed to save my dog but the lab broke my finger bearing down on it with his teeth  and I had to get stitches in my hand.  That story did not make the evening news but if it would have been my pit that attacked a lab in its own backyard it would have been a headline story.   

Wake up Debbie.   Facts are enlightening.

Art
Art

I  know you guys tend to be slow, so I'm being very patient. 

1. Pit bull can encompass several breeds.  Wheaten terreirs and Jrts are not pit bulls so your second statement is just made up.  Good Try at Thinking!

2. Here's what you need to read about the ATTS:http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

3.  Your just making stuff up out of thin air but good try!

4.  No.  No.  If there is no breed called a pit bull, what did Helen Keller have?

5. If there's no breed called pit bull, what dogs are you talking about?

6. True, it's the jaw muscles that are different.

7.  Aww, I think I've posted these links at least 2 times before in this thread alone, but wth, they never get old.  try reading them this time:

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

You have one defective pit bull if a lab caused you to break your finger defending it.  Maybe you should get another one.

Louie Suave
Louie Suave

Chauvinist too?  I presume ugly & fat . . .along with dumb . . .. wish I could meet you in person Art!

Louie Suave
Louie Suave

Art, you must be some new "breed" of moron, that I've never encountered. . . .very entertaining!  No facts - all opinion, and all mean - all the time!  Wow!

Art
Art

Sweetie, if you'd like me to hold your hand and help you read and verify information with primary sources, I can help you.  Just say the word.  I'll stop laughing at you if you genuinely want to learn how to decipher fact from fiction.

DanielleS
DanielleS

You're a moron.   You trust a blog.  You put yourself out there looking like a jackass getting your info from a blog that is an anti pit website.   HILARIOUS!!!!!!    At the end of the day,  I would rather live next door to a pitbull or two than someone as misguided as you. 

Art
Art

Now I'm laughing because your source is nothing more that a pro pit website.  I only reference the blog posts because they contain links to primary sources from the 19th and early 20th century.  Where is the source material from your website?  I don't see any.  Laughing at you, not with you, dear.

DanielleS
DanielleS

Art,  you are getting your "facts" from a BLOG and you believe it like its the concrete truth !!!  Hilarious!!!  I guess those "facts" aren't too self-serving or opinionated.  lol    There is actually a more factual website which is http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.c....   That website is more on a factual basis and not someone's blogging opinion.   Thanks for the laugh!! 

Art
Art

yeah, I'm weird.  I thought Jeff called me Debbie and then i realized he was actually responding to someone name Debbie.  And Charles sounds just like Jeff. So, yeah.  I'm weird.

Dave
Dave

You're weird dude.

Art
Art

Oh, and Charles does too.

Art
Art

Jeff has a girlish charm about his idiocy

Dave
Dave

Art... are you gay???  The guy's name is Jeff and you are calling him sweetie.

Mmpaone
Mmpaone

Debbie Bell Your an ignorant and awful person. Someone like you should own pets or have children.

Astoundingly, for most of our history America’s nickname for Pit Bulls was “The Nanny Dog”. For generations if you had children and wanted to keep them safe you wanted a pit bull, the dog that was the most reliable of any breed with children or adults.

The Nanny Dog is now vilified by a media that always wants a demon dog breed to frighten people and LHASA-APSO BITES MAN just doesn’t sell papers. Before pit bulls it was Rottweilers, before Rottweilers it was Dobermans, and before them German Shepherds. Each breed in it’s order were deemed too vicious and unpredictable to be around people. Each time people wanted laws to ban them. It is breathtakingly ironic that the spotlight has turned on the breed once the symbol of our country and our national babysitter.

In temperance tests (the equivalent of how many times your kid can poke your dog in the eye before it bites him) of all breeds the most tolerant was the Golden Retriever. The second most tolerant was the pit bull.

Pit Bull’s jaws do not lock, they do not have the most powerful bite among dogs (Rottweilers have that honor) they are not naturally human aggressive (in fact pit bull puppies prefer human company to their mother’s two weeks before all other dogs), and they feel as much pain as any other breed (accidentally step on one’s toe and you’ll see).

The most tolerant, patient, gentle breed of dogs is now embarrassingly portrayed as the most dangerous. It would be funny if the new reputation did not mean 6,000 are put to death every day, by far the highest number of any other breed euthanized.

That’s a lot of babysitters.

http://www.ywgrossman.com/phot...

Art
Art

Just because a really bad comedian says "Pit bulls were Nanny Dogs!!!!!" you believe it. Right?  Here's how you do research - you check into his statements.  You find for yourself one single mention of the the phrase "nanny dog" from the late 19th to early 20th centuries.  Then you post your proof.  You won't be able to because it is a complete fabrication, utter nonsense.

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.b...

Gerald
Gerald

Thats a blogger's website Art of Douchebag-ville.

Dr Chagnon
Dr Chagnon

You are misquoting as you say "every pit bull website" which is typical hyperbole for folks like yourself, who prefer to blame an entire breed of dog whenever a single incident is splashed all over newspaper headlines.  Let me tell you, all terriers (and many other dog groups) have a tendency to be dog reactive.  That's not instinctual dog aggression, and that is completely unrelated to human aggression anyway.  I have 3 pit bulls, all of them come to my medical office where my patients love them.  They are all rescues with very abusive pasts, and all are wonderful.  To say their only use is for dogfighting is ridiculous to the extreme, and reveals the level of ignorance present here.  All dogs have teeth, all are predators by nature.  Some are stronger than others, but as someone who has spent lots of time in ERs, I can assure you EVERY breed can do real damage.  Yorkies, Wheatons, Doxies, and many others have killed babies.  The lady requiring the first face transplant in the world had her face eaten off by her lab.  If you are really interested in relieving your ignorance, try reading the National Canine Research Council's work "The Pit Bull Placebo," an exhaustive and accurate reporting of the facts of dog bites in this country going back to the 1860s.  It will put into perspective the media hype that surrounds pit bulls (like this article--innocent pups pulled from a pipe and they are already demonized--amazing) and the real facts about dog bites.  You probably won't, because it's much easier to mindlessly blame an entire breed of dog.  Take a look at bite statistics in cities with breed bans and you'll find out they are no safer despite mass executions of pit bulls and other dogs labelled dangerous just because of their appearance.  

Art
Art

The NCRC is not national, not a council, and the "research" done is laughable.  It is a privately funded LLC funded by the pro pit rescue Animal Farm Foundation and run by Karen Delise a former vet tech.

Here are some research studies done by other people who have spent lots of time in ERs.  These are trauma care surgeons, Drs, and nurses who all found the same thing - pit bull maulings are in a different league than other dog maulings - and pit bulls are the leading maulers.

Mortality, Mauling, and Maiming by Vicious Dogs, by John K. Bini, MD, Stephen M. Cohn, MD, Shirley M. Acosta, RN, Marilyn J. McFarland, RN, MS, Mark T. Muir, MD and Joel E. Michalek, PhD; for the TRISAT Clinical Trials Group, Annals of Surgery, April 2011 - Volume 253 - Issue 4 - p 791–797

Emergency Department Visits and Inpatient Stays Involving Dog Bites, 2008, by Laurel Holmquist, M.A. and Anne Elixhauser, Ph.D., Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, Rockville, MD., November 2010.

Pediatric Dog Bite Injuries: A 5-Year Review of the Experience at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, by Kaye, Alison E. M.D.; Belz, Jessica M. M.D.; Kirschner, Richard E. M.D., Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, August 2009 - Volume 124 - Issue 2 - pp 551-558

Bites, Animal (Catastrophic Pit Bull Attack Injury), by Alisha Perkins Garth, MD, Coauthor(s): N Stuart Harris, MD, FACEP,eMedicine, Updated: June 25, 2009

Head and Neck Dog Bites in Children, by Angelo Monroy, MD, Philomena Behar, MD, Mark Nagy, MD, Christopher Poje, MD, Michael Pizzuto, MD, and Linda Brodsky, MD, Otolaryngology–Head and Neck Surgery, 140, 354-357 2009

A Ten-Year, Two-Institution Review of Pediatric Dog Attacks: Advocating for a Nationwide Prohibition of Dangerous Dogs, by Jugpal S. Arneja, MD, FRCSC, Kara Pappas, B.S., William Huettner, M.D., Arlene A. Rozzelle, M.D., Gurbalbir Singh, M.D., FRCSC., American Association of Plastic Surgeons - 2008 Annual Meeting

Pitbull Mauling Deaths in Detroit, by Cheryl L. Loewe MD, Francisco J. Diaz MD, and John Bechinski DO, The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, Vol 28, December 2007.

Hospitalizations Resulting from Dog Bite Injuries -- Alaska, 1991-2002, compiled by Louisa Castrodale, Int J Circumpolar Health, 2007 Sep;66(4):320-7.

Art
Art

seriously?  You want to equate minor bites with ER visits and hospitalizations?  Are you totally drunk?  The issue is not bites, it's serious maulings.  Or can you not figure out the difference? Think for a moment before you type...or not.  If you can't figure out the difference you'll just amuse the rest of us who can.  Go on.  Waiting with bated breath...

Art
Art

"I would consider your information of negligibly qualitative and more like bathroom reading" Whaaaa? Did you mean to convey any kind of meaning with that gibberish?

Since I'm just talking about serious maulings and not minor bites...again...whaa???You're not suggesting that minor bites and serious maulings requiring ER visits and hospitalizations are equitable, right?  Because if you were, you'd just be a moron.

CharlesL
CharlesL

ER reports?  Seriously Art???   Oh wait,  help.. help... my chihuahua just attacked me...I could throw it across the room to get it off of me but I better go to go to the ER and report it after I put all of my bandaids on.  People should be more discriminatory to dumb ass people like you than to certain breeds of dogs.   Your type of reasoning is hilarious but dangerous.

Jansi
Jansi

Bigger dogs (not just pit bulls)  cause bigger damage.   I seriously doubt that everyone who gets bitten by yorkies and poodles run to the emergency room and report it.  As such,  since the majority of your sources come from ERs,  I would consider your information of negligibly qualitative and more like bathroom reading.  As far as your sources citing several pediatric dog attacks,  one would have to take into consideration the circumstances leading up to the attack.   Did the dog bite a kid who was minding his own business watching TV or was the kid antagonizing the dog because the parents didn't teach him any better.    Pit bulls are factually better with children than other breeds and so nicknamed "the nanny dog".   The are rogue dogs in every breed but to suggest that most are pit bulls is nothing more than fictional reading.

Katejackson554
Katejackson554

True breeders keep breeding to better the breed and kill those instincts. I also have to say that you are wrong. It is not instincts for any breed of dog to want to kill its family/other dogs. It obviously didn't have the right training and I am saying because my fiance's mother has 3, and yes they are in the same house. The moment they see ANYone come into the house they roll over onto their backs. So unless you are talking from experence then reading up about breed online doesn't matter cause a lot of people are full of bull. :)

SyLabus
SyLabus

 Breeders are the problem, even those who consider themselves "responsible." That's why our country kills 4 - 5 million pets every year for lack of a home, about the same number that are produced by breeders. We can never adopt our way out of this crisis, so long as breeders pump millions of new dogs into the system. It is a sin and a great moral failing that we allow this to continue.

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