Confederate Shrine Vandalized in Missouri; Southern Nationalists Outraged

• BigBlue, you are wrong on several points.  First, the economy of the South was based on cotton production and that was where the bulk of slave labor was used. Therefore all the people in those states benefited from slavery.  But the population of the North benefited from slavery as well. The cotton exporting states were the ones doing the bulk of the international trade. That meant they were also paying about 80% of the revenue going to run the federal government. Much of that money was spent on government projects, such as railroads, in the North. The first seven states of that formed the Confederacy voted to secede because Northern States were passing laws nullifying the fugitive slave laws which were passed to enforce the clause in the Constitution that obligated states of the Union to return fugitive slaves to the states from which they escaped. The agreement was broken but the South was still being expected to pony up for protection it was promise, but wasn't getting. To keep those states in the Union by force, Lincoln called for troops. Seeing this as unconstitutional, four more states voted to secede. Six states in all told Lincoln to go pound salt. Lincoln invaded Maryland, a slave state. Missouri and Kentucky were also occupied by federal troops. You may not believe that slave holders had "property rights" with regard to own slaves, but every state that joined the Union believed they did because protecting those rights was incorporated into the Constitution that formed its basis. Many slaveholders in the upper South did not want to secede because becoming a part of the Confederacy released the Union states from their obligation to return runaway slaves. So, far from protecting slavery, secession actually threatened it - particularly in the border states. Explain to me again how it was all about slavery when leaving the Union did nothing to protect it. Slavery was protected in the Union by the Constitution. Outside of it there was none. The South did not start the war.  Lincoln made it a war.  The South seceded in peace. Lincoln called for troops to force them back. There was no war before the North invaded. The South sent negotiators to Washington.  Lincoln ignored them. Lincoln was the one who felt killing hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children was worth keeping the South paying the taxes the federal government. If the North hated slavery, why force the South to stay?  Saying it was all about slavery is an after the fact attempt to justify the destruction the war caused.  Describing it as forcing the milk cow back into the pen isn't nearly as sexy.

• Wow. You really told him.  The power of your logic cannot be refuted.

• There are white trolls and there are black trolls.  In the end, a troll is a troll.

• It is good be proud of one's ancestors - even the ones that were thieves.  The thing is though, the Union had been betrayed long before any state seceded. The states so quick to use force to keep the Union together were the first to start ignoring the Constitution that was the basis for it. An agreement broken in part is an agreement that is null and void. The treason came when the North started passing laws to nullify its obligations to the South while increasing the taxes the South was paying to keep the Union going. Then the North decided to use guns and bayonets to force the South to keep paying. There is the treason. There is the betrayal. But for you, it is a source of pride.  Why is it you think people form governments?  Is it so they can use it to rob others?

• I like your style.  Your arguments are obviously given a lot of thought.

• My German ancestors who lived in Missouri at the time called "ignorant slave owning pieces of pig shit" "neighbor".  Those that joined the Union GAR did so because they believed in a strong central government. They didn't much like darkies as slaves or otherwise. Having lost a war in Germany in 1848, they didn't know much about what the American Union was all about.  If your ancestors were so opposed to slavery, why did they want to spread it to cover everyone? 

• Well, 'pro Union criminal' is pretty accurate description.  The message scrawled on the monument was pro-Union and vandalism is a crime.  You should read a book some time. It might give you a better argument to support your views.  The right to self determination doesn't disappear with time. The struggle to recover it continues with each new generation. Forgive us. It is hard to get over the loss of our liberty and birthright of freedom.

•      Well JT, nice speech, skewed "facts" though. I have often heard the 6% figure for slaveholders. But didn't the wife of the slaveholder benefit from the institution, and his children (cared for and fed by slaves) also. And what about the overseers and others that benefited from slave related employment? Now take the 6% and multiply it by what? 6 or 8 or 10? Pretty soon you see that more than half the population benefited from slavery! The slave lords of the South controlled the legislatures, hand picked the secession committes and forced their people into a war that caused thousands of lives, all to protect their precious "property rights" over their slaves. In states where the voters had a chance to express their opinions on  slavery, like Kantucky or Missouri, the state didn't vote to seceede even though the slavers tried to illegally force them into it. The War of the Rebellion was ALL about slavery. Why don't the Neo Confederates ever accept the truth? And the old myth that the confederate government never surrendered. Well, they didn't get a chance they were "surrendered" at gunpoint by Yankee cavalry troopers, Jeff Davis even trying to run away in a womans dress (didn't work!). After that he was dragged off to prison to wear a ball and chain for a while, just to let him know that the confederate government no longer existed. And lets get one thing straight. The South started the War of the Rebellion. Everybody in SC was dressed up in their little gray uniforms, just thirsting for war and glory. Instead of trying negotiation and compromise they decided to start the war that caused 600,000 American lives! They wanted war, they started war, and for what? State's rights? No, they didn't want to have states having the right to refuse to surrender property (read that as slaves). They were solidly against states righrts! Tariffs? Louisiana loved the sugar tariff, didn't ever want it to go away. No, it's time you faced the facts and stopped playing the poor victim and get it. The south started the Civil War to protect slavery and lost! No amount of pro slavery southern propoganda is ever going to change that, no matter how hard you try!        

• It's unbelievable just how proudly some people always seem to show off their government education when discussing topics for which the only things they know come from having said government education,  which means they really have NO clue about FACTS. Historically PROVEN facts. For all y'all that don't understand, that means it don't involve a revisionist's version of events and details. Simply put, the Just Cause for which my G G Granddaddy fought had nothing to do with slavery, nor did it for most ALL southern patriots who fought against tyranny and the holocaust waged against our peoples of ALL colors, be it white, black, red, or brown, and the destruction of OUR southern nation as well as the continued genocide of our culture and heritage.  It DID have everything to do with preserving the original republican form of government as established by our Founding Fathers. And to this constant nonsense to the contrary is ridiculous. Do you really believe that in a nation fighting for it's very survival that 94 % of it's citizens would go to war to save slavery for only 6% of it's fellow citizens which included free blackmen who owned slaves ????  Maybe this will give you a little insight into it that we have known for generations........ http://southernheritage411.com/  ............And as to one of the other MYTHS that seems to keep circulating amongst all y'all, is this silly myth that the South Surrendered. HA HA HA !!! If all y'all really believe that load of hog-squaller, There just ain't no hope for ya wakin up. Sure hope yall's teachers got paid a mighty handsome sum for their betrayal to your search for knowledge. Fortunately for some of ya, it ain't to late. Above in my previous posting, is a coupla links that will help yall to understand. And when it comes to General Robert E. Lee's surrender of his Army of Northern Virginia,  http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/SurrenderatAppomattox.htm ....  schools & some historians teach that when Lee surrendered at Appomattox, that he surrendered the government of the Confederacy as well. That is a blatant & malicious lie/falsehood/ government propaganda. Lincoln's Administration and Northern Corporation's used the media of the day to spread these lies. They went so far after the war and during the first Reconstruction period, to place the states of Dixie under military rule and occupation, replaced elected southern representatives in both the CSA government and the  Confederate State Houses, with their own northern puppets who were loyal to this foreign government, much the same way they have done to every independent nation for which they have seized control/overthrown the democratically elected governments that they have occupied such as Hawai'i, Guam, Phillipines, Iraq, Afghanistan and so on.  Below are links to resources for research that ain't been revised to suit the governments actions. Past or present  http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/HAWAII/hawaii.php     http://southernheritage411.com/truehistory.php?th=002     http://dixieoutfitters.com/p/corwin-amendment?ol=no&pi=2670&ri=2669 

• I stand by my original statement: Your argument "sounds good" but we both know that "traditional values" = going back to slavery or eliminating black people altogether. "Cultural values" = white supremacy and domination of everyone else. You can put all the lipstick on it you want, it's still a pig! So you can play dress up in your gray uniform (the Nazis used brown and black) and carry around your little hate flag (the Nazis used a swastika)  but slavery is not coming back, neither is the confederacy and, oh yes, you did lost the war, get over it!

• No one wants to bring back slavery. That's a red herrings. The many reasons we want to be free have nothing to do with slavery. It's ridiculous that you associate a movement advocating self-determination, traditional values and cultural survival as "hate." 

•      The discourse here is rather heated! Fight nicely children! And for all the SNN and SCV people, give it up, Slavery is NOT coming back, you are NOT going to go back a refight the past, no matter how many times you dress up in your cute little gray uniforms and, finally, your slogan should be "hate, not heritage".

• It wont be over untill we say its over, we dont want any part of you or ur empire all we want is out. Peacefully or other wise, ballot box or bullet box its all the same to us.

• To see our memorials defaced makes my blood boil, the contunied attacks against our heritage, our very way of life makes it imperative that we seperate from the empire and go our own way. The people of the South want nothing less then what is their God given right, Freedom !! YANKEE GO HOME

• Your comment Payton shows that you Sir do indeed have an educated point of view. Thank you. Yes the South was right back then and we Southern Nationalists and Confederates, Yes I said Confederates, present term, have been trying for several generations to get the truth out about what really happened all those years ago and is the cause of so much of what is wrong with the DC government which occupies our Southern States today. Yes, that includes Missouri. Missouri is represented on the Confederate Battle Flag, the St. Andrews Cross, and a Christian flag by the twelfth star in the center. As thousands upon thousands of us southerners know from not only our family's history and letters but from real historical documents we know that our southern state and the nation of Dixie was occupied by union forces and subjected to military rule for years. We are STILL an occupied nation. The nickname Honest Abe was given to Lincoln in the same respect as the name Little Jon was given to Robin Hood's Lieutenant because of his size. It wasn't a compliment. I will post links to the truth and unrevised history about Lincoln's War of Northern Aggression Against the Peoples of the Southland and would suggest all y'all do your own research into the matter. i'm sure many if not most all y'all will be stunned at what you weren't taught in school about the war, and the reasons behind it and the Reconstruction of the south long afterwards, including the second reconstruction during the 50's and 60's. There is lots of information out there if y'all care to learn the truth. http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrand48ers.html         http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/online-lincoln.htm      http://dixieoutfitters.com/p/war-facts-causes              http://tripdowntruthroad.com/  ( THIS ONE HAS LOTS OF INFORMATION ON SEVERAL TOPICS BUT SCROLL DOWN TO FIND THE INFORMATION ABOUT LINCOLN AND THE WAR.)  .........There is so much more out there that there ain't enough room on here to post it all. Also you can find videos on YOUTUBE from not only the SCV, but other southern nationalist organizations such as the League of the South and Southern Nationalist Network. http://dixienet.org/rights/index.shtml   http://www.youtube.com/user/RedShirtArmy#p/a/f/1/Q2BfqDUPL1I    Thanks again for your comment Mr. Payton......Deo Vindice

• The lack of intellectual discussion in the arguments presented astounds me. Whether or not you understand that the South was indeed RIGHT, it is beyond dispute that we have a right to honor our dead, and no one has the right to vandalize that.

• I'm waiting for a mature answer but it seems all the kids are using the computers. This isn't as much about a war of the past but the destruction of property. No one has the right to destroy a monument, agree or disagree. There is no doubt this was done with hate. Yet it was also done out of stupidity. Only stupid, immature individuals will deface something they don't believe in. As far as Rush Limbaugh, is it really important what he things about something that happens in his hometown? Perhaps an education on the history of Cape Girardeau would do you good. Plus, I would also like to see an appreciation for the real English language, as it can be colorful enough without the vulgarity of immature people.

• Sounds like you know the drill. I bet you are still bitter because you ended up enjoying it and now you can't get the thought of being buggered by soul brothers out of your mind. Fucking pervert. 

• Well you told me. What a bummer some neanderthal buttfuck called me a fag.

• No stupid, travel about the south and you will have plenty of people using the term cracker to describe each other down there. Not surprising since, after all, the south is full of crackers. It's quite possible that you have never lived outside of St. Louis since this is the only place in the country where the term 'hoosier' is considered derogatory. Everywhere else it means a person from Indiana. Speaking of which I have known plenty of blacks who have no problem whatsoever using the term 'white trash' to describe dumb fucking racist crackers. In short, your 'points' are stupid at best, so you can climb right on down from your lofty heights and use the birth control yourself dildo. I don't give a shit how many of you dumbfucks think I'm black, but it's telling that you all try to hold that against me since I speak out against retards and their stupid fucking 'The south will rise agayn!' and "white power!" rants.

• just like the south shall rise again lol

• "I'm not here to make a record ya dumb cracker." - Gov. 'Pappy' O'Daniel

• How do your German ancestors feel about having a mixed race family member? No white man calls whites crackers dude, hoosiers or white trash maybe...LOL. Either way you and your adversary both provide a good argument for selective breeding.

• Rodney King said it the best ! Why cant we ( all ) get along ? Focus on what is really important OUR future ! Jobs & USA economy

• Marcel Marceau? Don't worry about him, he just pretends to fuck people in the ass

• The South lost that particular war a long time ago. If you're talking about some new imaginary race war, then I'm not sure if you've heard but your future odds don't look very good either. I'm just glad you're there seething at home, typing away on the internet and too lazy to get off your mentally-challenged ass and physically do anything about it.

• No one's worn a hat sideways since the 90's. Time to exit mom's basement and rejoin the rest of society already in progress.

• One of these days you're gonna piss off the wrong person and then get your assed kicked real hard, then tossed in jail where Yadarius and Marcel are going to fuck you up your ass while the other bruthas line up for their turn.

• So then you're a sideways hat wearing wigger that makes those stupid gang symbols with his hands and tries to act black but then the blacks you hang with make fun of you? (and you also drive a Jap car with round pipes on it that you think sounds hip but sounds like a bus). You're a fag. Come out of the closet fag so we can see your face.

•  BTW, I forgot to mention to your dumb ass that one of my ancestors, my Grandmother's Uncle, marched with the esteemed William Tecumseh Sherman on his march to the sea. I bet he saw some great sights and had some good stories to tell being a player in making Georgia howl and bringing the war to the cradle of secession. I know he brought home some good loot, my family members still have some of these artifacts in our possession. I would apologize since your retarded descendants might have lost some of these to us, but the truth is I hope I have something cool that might have been yours if only your ancestors weren't complete piece of shit traitors to our Union.

• Shut the fuck up you dumb fucking southern cracker. Pull the stars and bars off your bumper, spit out the chaw,  replace your skynard cassette tapes with some Neil Young CDs and embrace the 21st century you white sheet wearing dukes of hazard reject.

• Nope. I am indeed white and my German ancestors who lived in St. Louis at the time proudly fought ignorant slave owning pieces of pig shit from the south in that war. I couldn't be prouder of my family heritage. Since the ones I know about lived through the war I have no doubt that they proudly wasted plenty of ignorant rubes who fought for this stupid fucking lost cause that inbred fucktards like yourself feel the need to cry about 146 years after it happened. Shut the fuck up you southern pussy.

• the war is still raging.they forced integration on them in an attempt to wipe them out,and are now flooding the entire country with illegal immigrants....thats called genocide you little punk.read the definition..Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. southern whites have plenty of reasons to be pissed

• your name is i hate suburbs, and by what you wrote you are anti-white...one day the pendulum will swing back

• Laughing my ass off at the term 'Pro union criminals' like this war is still raging or something. No it ended about 146 years ago but these stupid fucks with their mullets, skynard and their rebel flag bumper stickers will still talk shit about ancient history. Get over it you dumb crackers.  

• rush will obviously side with the politically correct forced Union luvers is my bet

• Shall we start placing bets as to how long it will take Rush Limbaugh to latch on to this piece of hometown news?

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