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Proof Downtown Partnership Bitched to City Hall About Occupy St. Louis

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Kiener Plaza was a tent city before Partnership for Downtown St. Louis bent the mayor's ear.
A couple weeks ago Occupy St. Louis accused Mayor Francis Slay of kowtowing to corporate interests when he informed demonstrators (via his blog) that he would soon demand that they end their encampment at Kiener Plaza. 

In a press release responding to the mayor's online diary, Occupy St. Louis accused Slay of acting on behalf of the Partnerhip for Downtown St. Louis, a business group whose members include downtown banks, law firms and corporations. 

"This week, Downtown Partnership met with the mayor's office and told him to shut us down," claimed Occupy St. Louis in its November 7 media release. "He responded to their call. No more fitting example could illustrate who is pulling the strings."

Later that day Jeff Rainford, Slay's chief of staff, declined to tell the Post-Dispatch whether or not the mayor's office had in fact met with the partnership. When Daily RFT called the partnership to ask the same question, its spokeswoman said she didn't know if her boss -- Maggie Campbell -- had met with Slay and would get back to us. We're still waiting for that return call. 

Turns out, though, that Occupy St. Louis was correct and an email from Campbell proves it. 

As blogger Adam Shriver revealed this weekend by way of a public records request, Campbell wrote to Rainford on October 31 telling him how her organization had been in contact with business associations in other cities to discuss how to "unoccupy" urban parks from protesters. 

"We look forward to our meeting tomorrow to discuss this issue further," concluded Campbell at the end of the email. "We appreciate your support and thoughtful guidance."

Four days after sending the email (and three days after the partnership met with the mayor's office), Slay announced on his blog that the demonstrators could no longer violate the curfew at Kiener Plaza. 

"Over the past several days, there has been a rising tide of complaints," wrote Slay, in defense of the November 4 edict


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anonymouSTL
anonymouSTL

It does look bad when Jay threatens citizens...

Jay... In a leadership position, you are to always remain professional...........

As far as him hacking Mayor Slay.... That was not him...I headed up #OperationHack_N_Slay, #OperationReEnforceOWS, and currently running #OperationIranAide and #OperationRobinRood....

Jay is a face to the orginazation, as he has proven that he cannot conduct operations in an anonymous manor.... If anything, he is taking all the heat....

As for anyone who actually thinks Anon bluffs.... Some do.... My team does not. I have proven it time and time again...

#HAVEFUN

pastebin.com/u/jonnyfive     -    Read up on my helpings... :)

Egolterman
Egolterman

Downtown Partners left St. Louis without a downtown performing arts center for 2 decades under orders from Danforth, to protect grand center. That is not 'advancing' Downtown.  It's nice to see them doing something. Now, can they get John Nations to route the Downtown Trolley by the opera house. It is actually open, some of the time. This poor town is squeezed  from the top and suffocated by special interests. This was the year it had to change.

David
David

Why is it that a founder of Occupy STL is threatening people with his ninja Anonymous hacking skills on their facebook acct? Why is this same member of Occupy looking up personal real life information on people who disagree with Occupy or voice that opinion or dare to try to engage anyone in a discussion? Why is he sharing personal information with others on people who disagree with occupy? Why is he completely obsessed with Occupy so much so that he is frantically running around trying to destroy any dissenting speech? Exactly who is trying to squash freedom of speech here JayPhantom? Dont be a terrorist Jay, thats illegal AND immoral. You're just stupid enough to be sloppy and get caught.... repeatedly. More than meets the eye with some of these Occupy people. Some are sincere. I have to question an organization that allows someone of this caliber access to others information and free reign to speak on behalf of all Occupy. In other circles he fancies himself  OccupySTLs spokesman. Bad decision and he may just have to eat is words and recent actions in public. He is definitely driving many away from your cause because many of us are not fooled. Yes Jay, we truly do never forget. Expect us. Do not use anonymous to further your personal agenda, make others fearful for voicing their opinions they will have you hack them and spread their personal info as you are wont to do, and do not use anonymous memes to attempt legitimize yourself.

Carry on.

jayPhantom42
jayPhantom42

You people seriously don't have any idea who you're fucking with.

We protect YOU, YOUR COMPUTERS, and YOUR MONEY while you sleep, yet when we incite the public to call you on your bullshit, you only prove our point further.

The point being is that you're neither morally nor intelligently fit to rule. Your selfishness and hubris will be your undoing, and I can promise I will watch with glee as you squirm and beg for forgiveness when all that you hold dear is gone with the wind. Maggie Campbell, We do not Forgive, We do not Forget, Expect Us, Always.  

Mbroute66
Mbroute66

Slay better hope all of the DT partnership are city voters.

Janiece Senn
Janiece Senn

So how about a list of the downtown members so we can show our appreciation by not supporting their companies or anyone affiliated with their companies. We could also call them and let them know what we think about their interference.

KITTY
KITTY

Well, thank god for the Partnership for Downtown St. Louis! If it wasn't for the Partnership downtown St. Louis would look as bad as the north side - abandoned and  crumbling with decay and ruin. Gangstas and thugs galore.

With all the effort and monies the Partnerhip has used to make St. Louis a more beautiful  place, why wouldn't they want the city to revove the scumbags and all their trash from Kiener Plaza? The Occupiers gave downtown St. Louis, and especially beautiful Kiener PLaza, a black eye on an otherwise pretty face.

The Partnership is to be saluted in its efforts, no matter how large or small, to pressure the city to get off its dead ass and remove the Occupiers and restore the peace and beauty of Kiener Plaza for all to enjoy.

Jeff Y
Jeff Y

I fail to see exactly what the problem is here.  Partnership for Downtown is as much a community organization as Occupy and have as much right to public spaces as Occupy does.  No person or group has the right to commandeer public property for private use.  Partnership doesn't have the right and neither does Occupy.  Partnership likely made light of this fact to the Mayor's office, something that they would be obliged to respond to.

Grow up Occupy.  Your 1st amendment protest doesn't give you a pass on breaking the law.

anonypussies
anonypussies

Does anyone take this anonymous hacker crap seriously anymore?  Come on.  Waiting for your earth shaking hacktivism is like waiting for the Mayan apocalypse.  Ain't gonna happen.

@Janiece
@Janiece

one way or another, that usually causes the unemployment rate to go up!

Jeff Y
Jeff Y

There you go!  That is perfectly protected free speech and individual action.  No one in this country, myself included, would disagree with Occupy's right to avoid certain people or businesses and call them out on their public actions.  And camping out in Keiner Plaza added what to doing what you just suggested above........?

Prof Kleen
Prof Kleen

I thought the protesters and their sympathizers lacked the means to support said small business' ( Partnership for Downtown St. Louis) in the 1st place. Isn't that what you were not showering and running consumer money away (by intimidation) from downtown for?

Reachu2003
Reachu2003

The problem is that the entire St. Louis city should look nice like downtown! Equal efforts should be applied to stop Thugs galore and north-side and city hall gangstas!  Kitty,if you lost your wealth today and had to turn to food stamps and had to look for a job.?Would you want someone to help stand for your rights? Your distance selfish comments gives you a blk eye and non sensitive response to the have nots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Place your self in their position.....

Kathleen
Kathleen

When exactly was the last time you went specifically to Kiener Plaza to "enjoy" its "beauty?" Prior to OWS, Kiener Plaza was little more than a homeless encampment that most people tried to avoid so as not to be asked for spare change. The most I can remember ever happening there was the occasional, sparsely attended concert or (better attended) pep rally. Hell, the protests have given this public space more civic meaning than it's ever had in its short life!

And is anyone really surprised Slay is a hired goon for Downtown Partnership? Every mayor since at least Cervantes has been devoted to drawing short-term tourism to downtown, often destroying our urban fabric (or civil rights, in this case) in the process.

bradley
bradley

north st. louis would not be in the position that it currently is in if the city spent money investing in communities in the city, building a strong basis for co-operation and mutual respect. instead st louis spends its money trying to build failures like baseball park to try to get upper-middle class income individuals to move back to the city when they have already moved out.

lets spend more money making sure our city's communities have strong business, education, and social infrastructures instead of building novel fads to try to get folks from the county to come spend their money in the city.

p.s. old north, near hyde park is one of the current new growth area's of urban community building. look into it.

rich
rich

Oh noes--Black Folks in our otherwise pretty places--call the police. Well, looks like Slay did it for you.

Diann
Diann

scumbags and trash?  Try students, teachers, and honest people trying to start a conversation about how to change a corrupt congress.  

Paul Hale
Paul Hale

According to Kitty all of you people who are out of work, hungry, losing your home or going under because of medical bills and predatory lenders, you are all scumbags

Janiece Senn
Janiece Senn

The ows never commandeered anything.  Anytime someone wanted to use the park they moved out of the way.  Most of those folks said no don't clear out, we support what you are doing. In fact a wedding party wanted their pictures taken with the occupy movement.  Both Macy's and The tree of lights stated they had no problem with sharing the space with occupy.  The constitution trumps parks rules. If banks were regulated in the same way park rules are being enforced we wouldn't be having this problem to begin with.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The Constitution and Federal laws override local laws. Partnership's welcome to exercise their rights.

Johnnoz
Johnnoz

The occupy strategy is what was used to even get this conversation started. It has allowed us to change the national dialog in just two months. That is why it should be considered protected, political speech. Tha is why our corporate opponents hate it. It is not about park curfews. We are standing up to them and being heard. That is what drives them crazy. I know a lot of people would like us to return to the tactics of the last thirty years, when protesting did not even attract enough attention to make a headline, but that would be ineffective. However, I agree that we need to be more than the occupy tactic alone.

Guestor
Guestor

Butt we are the 99% even if 75% of the 99% doesn't know what we stand for. But dont forget the 33.33% of us that were homeless before it was a "protest" maneuver.

Jon Ross
Jon Ross

I assure you, most of my family & friends support the Occupy movement. We shower. We make and spend money at St. Louis businesses. We are the 99%. Your empty comments just show your disdain for any rational discussion to have that would address real issues affecting the 99% majority.  Instead you have decided to become yet another echo machine of those that have interests before the general welfare of our society. Congrats on being another brick in the wall.

Stev0205
Stev0205

When exactly was the last time you went specifically to Kiener Plaza to "enjoy" its "beauty?"... How about lunch time for some of "employed downtown folks"?  Please don't hate us... we will always support you... financially...

Mike_Fulbright
Mike_Fulbright

The only mention of race I saw is in your comment.  Maybe your should take the time to read something instead of trying to read behind it.

Alford
Alford

Kitty never once mentioned the word blackrace baiting is just as racist as dropping the N bomb you miserable dirty racist

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

This is race baiting, why are we allowing it to happen.  have some integrity RFT and ban this poster, it is clear that non one has mentioned race. 

Uhh
Uhh

harsh language.... agreed.... but how about abandoning the movement and joining the workforce?  no wait... there is always welfare!

Downtown Resisdent
Downtown Resisdent

If by not commandeering, you mean preventing tourists and families from enjoying use of the park, then you are correct. Many visitors to our city were unaware of the protest and complained of these people, thinking they were vagrants (i believe many were) etc... thus contributing to the already horrible image our city has within the nation. Interestingly enough when many of the complaining parties were informed of the group and their protest, they asked "do they really think they will change anything by panhandling in a St Louis park?". Which seems to be the general opinion of the populous.

Jeff Y
Jeff Y

Last time I checked local curfews, local use permits, and noise regulations on public property have all been held as consitutional.  The city's local laws in these matters are just as protected under the constitution as the right to free speech.  Federal law protects the city of St. Louis as much as it protects Occupy.

No one's saying you can't protest.  I support some of Occupy's message but the camping really detracted from Occupy's argument.  There was no need for it and any attempt to try and recapture public spaces would be very very foolish on Occupy's part.

The police, city, citizens, and other community organizations are well within their rights to enforce fair-use of public spaces.

Billy Smith
Billy Smith

Upcoming election... checkLow popular opinion for a candidate that won by a landslide on "change"... checkSudden "grass roots" movement appears around an issue as old as time...check

All the pieces are in place for someone to step up as savior, just in time for the voting public to remember that change that was so often promised.

Bob Sacamano
Bob Sacamano

I am a part of OccupySTL and I agree with you. It IS illegal. But we don't care.You have to fight for freedom, not beg for it.

Remember the Boston Tea Party? That was a f%^&ing felony.But it worked.

Andrew Mann
Andrew Mann

Leesa,Don't compare the occupy movement with the Civil Rights movement, it is disrespectful. The Civil Rights movement was a monumental, and inspiring struggle that lasted for years. If Occupy lasts that long, and actually create some change, maybe you can compare the two.

Jeff Y
Jeff Y

"...technically camping is not free speech."  Thanks Leesa.  I rest my case regarding that issue.  And others do indeed have a right to use public spaces without Occupy being there.  That is unfair...especially if someone went through the publicly agreed upon process and requested a permit when Occupy didn't.  My argument is valid and has been validated by you yourself.  Thank you.

Leesa
Leesa

That's right, technically camping is not free speech. Neither was riding in the front of the bus, for black protesters during the civil rights movement. Neither was sitting at a whites-only lunch counter for the same people. The point is, some laws are silly, and civil disobedience is a way of demonstrating that. 

Occupy never claimed to be the only ones with concerns and messages, Jeff Y. We were always happy to share the plaza with others. There was nothing unfair about us being there, unless we were blocking others from using Kiener, which we were not. Your argument doesn't have a foundation to stand upon.

Leesa
Leesa

No, it's not, but nice try.

Jeff Y
Jeff Y

But the Occupation part of Occupy’s strategy is ILLEGAL.  Whatever conversation Occupy has started it has started by violating the law and despite what anyone thinks not all activities that motivate debate are protected speech.  Putting a loaded gun to someone’s head and telling them to talk with you might motivate speech but it is certainly not protected speech.  What Occupy has done is not the same thing, but speech has limits and camping is not protected speech. Look…we could go round and round on what is and what isn’t free speech but the real point is the camping has ultimately turned more people against Occupy that it has turned to support it.  It was very counterproductive and I think a lot of Occupy protestors see that it placed Occupy on a pedestal.  The cities it took place in were very very tolerant for as long as they were and it isn’t fair to commandeer a space that everyone else has to apply for a permit to use.  Like it or not, Occupy is made up of the public and they must abide by public rules if they want the public’s support. Occupy’s message of fairness has been severely damaged by their UNFAIR acquisition of public spaces.  You’re not the only ones with concerns and message.  Get in line.

Ostl
Ostl

The problem with larger scale useful tactics is that it runs the risk of showing the true genesis of the movement.OWS is to the DNC what the tea party was to the RNC

TeaParty2012
TeaParty2012

Exactly why I support this movement and I am a member of the Tea Party. I'm a 32 year old small business owner with a family. Social security taxes will triple next year. Yet, the richest 1% pay less than I do in taxes. Stop drinking the Kool Aid and stop believing everything you hear on the National news. This isn't left or right.

TCOT adnd OWS should join together to throw these politicians out of office - all of them!

Leesa
Leesa

Tammy, it doesn't matter if Jon is one of the 1%. The movement is not against wealth in general, it is against wealth being used to further corruption, whether that corruption is in business or politics. Your comments and the comments of Prof Kleen only demonstrate that you know little to nothing about the Occupy movement. 

Tammy
Tammy

Look out, Jon your 1% is showing... Bestselling author, and politician from a family of politicians and investment counselor. Who made untold amounts of money from a book that calls for this very thing. I bet getting your name out there helps sales doesn't it. Yep you are definitely not part of the machine, Jon.

Congrats BTW on your success with Kinder.

Prof Kleen
Prof Kleen

Agreed Mike, lets not take this Non-issue and turn it into a race issue. Even if Rules for Radicals says you should.

stev0205
stev0205

Using the word thug is STLtoday slang for n*****. In case you were unaware.

stev0205
stev0205

Yet being a racist is still not illegal. What don't you understand about protecting first amendment rights? No I am not racist and I hate racist people, but when jackasses like you think its okay to compromise some of the only rights we still enjoy today, I can't stand but point out how moronic you are.

Bunb
Bunb

The 1st amendment ends when the bigotry begins. Insinuation of racism in hopes of others jumping on the pile to ultimately further a non-racist cause is still racist.

stev0205
stev0205

Yea, why can't they be more like major news outlets, only allowing their opinion to be expressed. DOWN WITH THE 1ST AMENDMENT! SAVE THE CHILDREN FROM DIRTY WORDS!!!

Bill Hannegan
Bill Hannegan

The RFT never bans a poster or takes down a post, which is a problem.

rich
rich

Yes, Northside Gangstas and Thugs--No racial codes there!

None
None

"You see when you stay at a hotel, there are people that you can ask for directions or help or etc... you get the picture. But hey what do i know."... how can an "observation" be constituted as a "wrong statement"... please re-read.

stev0205
stev0205

You see, when somebody makes a glaringly wrong statement, that has no basis in reality and is obviously not true, it's called sarcasm... you don't get the picture. Troll-bait.

Downtown Resisdent
Downtown Resisdent

You see when you stay at a hotel, there are people that you can ask for directions or help or etc... you get the picture. But hey what do i know.

stev0205
stev0205

How did you gather all 6 tourists who have visited STL in the past 3 months in one place?

Leesa
Leesa

Downtown Resident, were you busy polling the tourists? How exactly do you know that "many visitors to our city . . . complained of [sic] these people"? I can assure you that the general opinion of the populace is not that we are panhandling in a park. Polls show a great deal of support for the Occupy movement. 

Downtown Resisdent
Downtown Resisdent

I was merely pointing out the comments I got from visitors to our downtown region. Most were afraid of the protesters (yes fearing them all vagrants) as they never realized that STL had such protests. Very few if any were opposed to the point of taking action. Most just laughed and commented on how the OSTL method would never accomplish anything.But hey spin it whichever way ya want buddy.

bradley
bradley

just pointing out your belief that the occupy camp members were vagrants, and that the general opinion of the populous are both speculations on your part.

while i respect occupy for what they are doing, i think protesting is a waste of time instead of taking actual action in support of your beliefs. at the same time those opposed to this movement have a easy way to generalizing the participates, and criminalizing their behavior as an easy means to support their opinion without a backup of proof.

your statements above show this very clearly.  i doubt most of these same individuals opposing occupy, would be opposed to a protest of a abortion clinic, breaking these same "rules", because most likely they would be morally okay with the behavior.

your being opposed to the actions does in no way demonize the actions, nor does it make the participates of any lower moral standing then yourself.

all it means...........is your opinions are different. which is everyone's right.

~bradley

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