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Chaotic North Side Drug Bust: A Portrait of Desperation (and Maybe Worse)

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This is how the suspect's Chevy Avalanche looked before getting completely smashed up in a police chase.
All three TV news channels (KTVI, KMOV and KSDK) and the Post-Dispatch have covered the mess that whipped through the city yesterday afternoon:

Two unmarked police vehicles pulled over on Martin Luther King Drive near the Wellston-City border, sandwiching a parked Chevy truck.

As officers climbed out and approached, someone in the truck tossed out a cooler of drugs. Then the truck burst forward and backward trying to escape, smashing into both cop cars. Cops say they saw one of the suspects reach down, so they opened fire.

None of this is good, but here's what Daily RFT considers the worst part:

As the truck backed into a driveway to bust out and make a final getaway, some poor dude on a bike just happened to be riding past. So the truck ran him over. TWICE.

Captain Michael Sack told KSDK Channel 5:
"A gentleman on a bicycle who was driven over twice, and at one point was trapped under the vehicle and here's a good size pick-up truck and the tires literally sitting on his chest, spinning as the suspect's trying to get away."
While it's possible the driver never saw the guy -- he was getting shot at -- it's also possible that he just didn't give a damn. Which would be pretty depraved.

As the truck fled with a bum right front wheel, it hit a couple cars (and sent two people to hospitals) at Kingshighway and kept going, before finally stopping at Aldine and Newstead. All were treated and taken into custody.
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Jellyph
Jellyph

Why is the burden still on White populations for warehousing these savage voodoo negros?

Jellyph
Jellyph

I don't think we should isolate this drug bust as being "chaotic". Everything about the North Side is chaotic from the Welfare Cheese to the political corruption.

Pwnzorrz
Pwnzorrz

Hmmm.... theres a truck ramming two police cars.  I should ride my bike over there and get a closer look. (?)

loki03xlh
loki03xlh

We need to outfit the police with 1911 .45 ACP

subsonic is subpar
subsonic is subpar

I won’t say how I know, but a lot of what happened yesterday could’ve been avoided by upgrading SLPD firepower.  SLPD’s standard issue weapon is a Beretta 92 9mm double-action only (which slows rate of fire significantly) handgun and the Beretta CX4 9mm carbine firing 147gr hollow-point subsonic ammunition.  These tools may have been acceptable in the early 90s when SLPD upgraded but they are woefully inadequate now against an increasing number of criminals wearing body armor, equipped with higher power weapons, and the need to penetrate vehicles, doors, etc. Many other police departments across the nation and SLPD’s reasoning for these weapons and the poor choice of ammunition is - at heart - lawsuits.  They fear that an upgrade in firepower and lethality in ammunition would increase the number of fatalities and rounds fired in police involved shootings leading to increases in wrongful death lawsuits and collateral damage.  Their strategic choice of purposefully downgrading firepower and lethality has actually increased the number of rounds fired – to make up for firepower deficiency – and has also resulted in street officers being unable to stop what happened yesterday despite a high number of rounds fired.  With appropriate weapons like assault rifles and/or higher velocity handgun ammunition or shotguns they could’ve brought the fight to a stop sooner and kept an innocent bystander from being run over multiple times.  And what occurred yesterday is not an isolated incident. It should be noted that St. Louis County and St. Charles do not have this problem as their weapons are more than adequate and heavy weapons are carried in every squad car.  SLPD’s decision not to upgrade is also somewhat connected to local control issues which I won’t get into here.  I’ve spoken with several SLPD officers about their weapons and the common theme is they are inadequate.  They’ve mentioned that their lack of confidence often makes them draw the weapon earlier and fire more additional rounds than may be necessary in a gunfight.  In other words, SLPD’s decision not to upgrade is unintentionally having the opposite effect on the street. It is unfortunate but there is an arms race of sorts happening in America’s streets and if we want officers to do their jobs, we need to give them appropriate tools.

Your Momma
Your Momma

"These tools may have been acceptable in the early 90s when SLPD upgraded but they are woefully inadequate now against an increasing number of criminals wearing body armor, equipped with higher power weapons, and the need to penetrate vehicles, doors, etc."1) There wasn't need to penetrate vehicles, doors in the 90s?2) Were the criminals in this incident wearing body armor or have high powered weapons?

I am not sure your assertions here are accurate, or more importantly relevant. 

subsonic is subpar
subsonic is subpar

As I said my concerns above are relevant to this case for reasons I will keep to myself.  As a former Marine Corps armorer and MP I’m happy to explain the technicalities. 1) Penetrating vehicles was actually not a specific requirement for most PD’s weapons selection in the 90s although it should’ve been.  Only the FBI had specific requirements for ammo and weapons selection.  Today most PD’s copy the FBI’s standard ballistics requirements for weapons and NIJ (National Institute of Justice) standards for body armor, except for SLPD.

2) Vehicle dimensions, auto glass strength, and manufacturing processes have become better.  The old FBI standard to penetrate vehicles was inadequate by the late 90s and a new standard is now in place.  Considering the SLPD never selected for vehicle penetration in the first place their current choices are even more inadequate against current vehicles.

3) Modern body armor is now found on criminals or at crime scenes 10% of the time.  Average body armor in the 90s was NIJ level IIA which was much weaker than the current and modern NIJ level IIIA.  What’s worse is that ceramic body armor able to defeat assault rifle rounds is being found with increasing frequency in the possession of criminals, allowing them to actually go toe-to-toe with PD SWAT teams.

4) People are bigger.  In some cases by as much as 2-3 inches across the midsection.  This means that if you use lower velocity, lower powered ammunition…manage to penetrate a barrier…and hit your target the bullet may only penetrate a little into the target and cause almost no damage.  This is why weapons and ammo must be selected to be as powerful as possible.

5) Regardless of whether or not these criminals were wearing armor or had high powered weapons, officers must always act as if they do.  I won’t go into specifics on what was found but believe me what happened yesterday could’ve been a lot worse.

Jellyph
Jellyph

Why do we never see long lines of liberals wanting to emigrate to paradises like Mexico and Zimbabwe but we do see liberals always advocating to bring the parasites to America?

JP
JP

Crack is already sold at Walgreens...It's just unregulated,over-priced,tainted, and requires guns to protect.

Your Momma
Your Momma

Not ideal, but it's better than the alternative. 

Been to Mexico lately?

subsonic is subpar
subsonic is subpar

I don't want to see a militarized police force either although for different reasons and reducing police capabilities as you suggest would get more cops killed.  Regardless of drugs there will always be violent and extremely violent criminals and the resources at their disposal are becoming more destructive and dangerous.

I'm not suggesting turning every SLPD officer into a SWAT team member, just bringing SLPD up to the standard of St. Louis County and St. Charles, both of which are far from militarized police forces in my opinion.

Citizens and government want police forces and want them to do their jobs.  To do so they must have training, equipment, and the courage and morale to enforce the law.  Missing anyone of those 3 cripples a police force.  SLPD needs to seriously consider upgrading their equipment.

Your Momma
Your Momma

It is, when it's decriminalized.It's when you make it a criminal act it becomes a violent world. 

See: Prohibition. 

hotdogwaffles
hotdogwaffles

oh yes... drug dealing is inherently non-violent. 

Your Momma
Your Momma

We don't need to militarize the police anymore than they are, in fact the opposite. It's the war on drugs causing the issue, it's a non-violent crime drug into violence by the 'war' being waged upon it using violence. 

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