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It's not just for cats and dogs anymore.
Unified Equine is a Wyoming-based company that wants to open its first horse-meat processing plant -- for human consumption, mind you -- just outside Mountain Grove, Missouri, an Ozark community about 70 miles east of Springfield. Unified Equine and its chief operating officer Sue Wallis (also a Wyoming state senator) chose the Mountain Grove site after a two-year search for a location that would back the company's business model. According to Wallis, "the folks in Missouri are 100 percent behind with what we're trying to do and how we're trying to do it."

I know horse meat is popular in France, but I had no idea it was legal in America. Senator Wallis actually worked quite closely with the USDA to shepherd the legislative change through the system two years ago. And while the idea of eating a horse seems distasteful, one look at the USDA's daily reports on the National Carlot Meat Report reveals that all sorts of unappetizing meats are already processed and sold every day in Missouri -- things such as weasands, scalded and scraped uteri, and lips. Most of these items are categorized under the "byproducts" rubric, meaning they're not for human consumption.

The point is, meat processing of any sort is a bloody and graphic procedure, and after 20 minutes in the plant no horse is going to look like a horse. I don't know if I'd turn my nose up at horse meat on a plate -- "what beer goes with horse?" would probably be a factor in that decision -- but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who wants to eat it. I personally find tripe on its own disgusting, but it doesn't bother me if someone wants to eat that.

Throw in the fact that the Mountain Grove plant is projected to create 40 to 55 jobs and it seems like a boon for the region.


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Mary McNichols
Mary McNichols

Paul Friswald,

If you were a journalist--you'd research the facts about horse slaughter.  Clearly you didn't; and clearly you aren't.

Mary McNichols
Mary McNichols

Understand that horse slaughter is an egregious practice for both humans and animals.  Cities in which plants were located suffered immensely, economically, environmentally, socially--high crime rates; horse blood backing up into bathtubs; horrible stench; increased vermin; plummeting property values; no more new business because of the stigmatization of the community.  Ask Kaufman, Texas which had Dallas Crown slaughterhouse, about this.  BTW, Dallas Crown was owned by Chevideco--and paid $5.00 in federal taxes on $12,000,000 in sales--to the tune of $5,000,000 of US taxpayer funds for USDA inspections annually--to enrich the coffers of foreign interests.  And, then there's the fact that the meat of American horses is toxic--the EU recognizes this now.  DEMAND THAT YOUR LEGISLATORS PASS THE AMERICAN HORSE SLAUGHTER PREVENTION ACT NOW.

All you every wanted to know, or not, about horse slaughter:http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/

blueprints
blueprints

So, when are they going to implement the tracking system for horse medications then? As you may know, the EU has had to implement a a costly and complex horse passport system for ALL horses there, whether they are going to slaughter or not, to track the medications horses receive over their entire lifetime because these medications are cancerous to humans. The EU has had the passport system in place since 2004 and an accompanying microchip since 2009. The EU is finally realizing that the US has no system for tracking medications that US horses receive, making them ineligible to be imported as human food. This will be strictly enforced starting in 2013 -- something that the Canadian horse slaughterhouses are also worried about because over 50% of their slaughtered horses come from the US. If you want to slaughter US horses, then all 9 million US horses will need a passport of similar. Note: there is no acceptable withdrawal time for bute. If a horses ever receives even one does in it's life, it is ineligible in the eyes of the EU because of the toxic effects it has to humans. Also, according to our own food laws, it is absolutely illegal to be slaughtering horses as human food for the very same reason.

blueprints
blueprints

Where to begin with the ill-informed 'article'? First of all, Sue Wallis is a Representative not a Senator. The folks in Missouri are certainly not 100 behind a horse slaughterhouse. In fact, like the rest of the country, I'd venture that they're 80%+ against it. If a 'boon to the community' means hazardous wastewater because of medications in horse's blood, then I guess yes that'll have that. Add in that slaughter horses need no coggins (spread of horse disease anyone?), horse theft increases, illegal alien workers (no one wants these jobs except them) and the stigma of the horse slaughter capital of the US. Nope. Not a good deal for MO or anywhere in the US.  

Suzy
Suzy

WE DO NOT WANT A PLANT FOR SLAUGHTING HORSES IN MISSOURI! If you think these slaughters will be ethical is a joke. Go into any animal slaughter house and you will not eat it again. It is bloody, disgusting, and not needed. Do some research and you will find lots of rescue groups that can help people fing homes for unwanted horses. Maybe we can open a processing plant for other things we find inconvenent, such as local writers and other people that do NO RESEARCH AND HAVE NO IDEA about any aspect of the animal industry. Idiots.

Chris
Chris

Awesome! I always wondered what Mr. Ed would taste like.

Davidjosh
Davidjosh

It's funny to me that so many of the comments opposing horse slaughter are liked by the other posters opposing it.  And many of them seemed to appear at the same time too...

Are these people so pathetic they need to come out in force and tell their nutso friends to strongarm a blog post from a small alternative paper?  Something tells me their ideas when spoken in public have fallen on deaf ears.

Lame.  Really lame.

Jos Harrison
Jos Harrison

I'm of mixed feelings, on the surface, the thought of eating horse meat isn't all that appealing, especially when i think about the animal.

On the other hand, what is a meat animal varies from country to country, even cats and dogs are sometimes eaten (asian countries in particular, not particularly meaty, but they reproduce at a ridiculous rate). Throw in the fact that people go hungry every night, and having more food available, especially if its cheap is hard to call a bad thing.

Shirley Smith
Shirley Smith

American's don't eat horses they are our pets just like dogs and cats are!!!  

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Vjmcclure
Vjmcclure

I am a resident of Mountain Grove and let me make it perfectly clear...the horse slaughter plant is not welcome here and we will fight it all the way.

Shelley Powers
Shelley Powers

I also tried to link a recent Forbes article with Paula Bacon, the mayor of the town in Texas that had one of the last horse slaughter plants. Again, it was filtered out. And I won't copy text because Forbes will get prickly about copyright.

You can find the article by searching on Paula Bacon Horse Slaughter Forbes

Shelley Powers
Shelley Powers

I tried to include a link to a paper compiled by a community group who is fighting this plant, but it keeps getting filtered in the comments. 

So, I'm going to try copying the relevant bits. If there's a journalist at the Riverfront Times who actually wants this, contact me and I'll give you the link.

The facility-The Lamson & Sessions building, which is situated next to S & H Farm Supply and owned by L & R Industries of Cabool, is the proposed site of the processing plant.

 Additionally, investors are seeking to buy 30-40 acres from the Industrial Park to be used for lagoons and holding pens.   

• Current plans for the plant’s waste include a “three-tier” lagoon system utilizing salt and chemicals to treat eviscerated remains and blood, with the final lagoon using clams as a filter system.  There is no current waste and sewage infrastructure in place that  could accommodate a 2800 horse-per-week load. 

• The proposed facility will breed horses on site as well as import horses from across the  nation to be processed into meat for overseas human consumption.  Horses will be  trailered in 24 hours a day, seven days a week.   

• Investors project the regular slaughter of 200-400 horses per day, seven days a week. 

• Because the meat is intended for human consumption, it is estimated that a minimum of 90% of the horses will be in excellent health at the time of slaughter.

Shelley Powers
Shelley Powers

A community group has provided a paper outlining some of the reasons why this plant is a bad idea. I can't add a link here, because of the comment filtering system. I'm going to try to provide enough of the PDF url so you can access it:

puppies.burningbird.net/pdfs/h...

VeganWhiteKnights...FU!
VeganWhiteKnights...FU!

It is quite clear that the militant vegans are out in force in this post, so for all you militant vegans out there, the following test of logic:

Humans are by nature omnivorous.  The evidence is clear humans have been eating meat since before we evolved into homo sapiens.  So if humans are by nature omnivorous, having been eating meat since forever, and are no better than animals, and animals eat other animals, then why do you say are we not allowed to eat meat?  And if humans are fundamentally different and able to master animal resources as is our nature, then why are we still not allowed to eat meat?

Face it militant vegans, your positions are ludicrously illogical, forced, and unstable.  There is nothing wrong with veganism as a personal choice, but you cross the line with your consistent efforts to force your tired arguments to the rest of us omnivores.  It is unfair and laughable.  YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE AND ENFORCE YOUR VIEW OF THE WORLD ON THE REST OF US.  Especially when your view is so clearly unreasonable.

Unless it is wild, the horse is a domesticated animal and in its present form is the result of human beings playing with its genetics for at least the last 5000 years.  We've been using horses as transport, labor, entertainment, and food for almost as long and there is nothing wrong with this.

It has nothing to do with need.  It has nothing to do with obesity.  It has nothing to do with hormones, antibiotics, or the superiority of your vegan lifestyle, etc. ,etc., etc.  It has everything to do with the fact that we have in the past, we can, we should and it can all be done ethically.

maryamc
maryamc

Given their flight instinct, there's no humane to slaughter horses. The flippant remarks of the author whose "work" is posted above are out of line.

Amanda Gray
Amanda Gray

I think it's hilarious how the rescue groups are cleaning up after all these breeders who don't know when to stop while the eaters are like "kill them!". What have horses done to you? Oh they are starving and neglected and without slaughter we will have all these abused horses (right?)... Well here is a clue for you, horse slaughter hasn't stopped! You can send your horse to a kill buyer at any time and it has not stopped anyone from neglecting, abusing or abandoning their horses! Most of the people doing those things don't want their horses to go to slaughter. So they keep them until they are wasting away and that will more than likely get worse if it moves to the states. Besides... the slaughter plants can't ship most horses to Europe anyway after 2013. So it won't be an out for recreational horses because Europe doesn't want our tainted meat! And sure there are withdrawal periods for some meds we give our horses. But look at it like this, Three Angels Farms in TN recently had a truck overturn on the highway with 30 something horses on it. They claimed the horses were going to a rescue in OK. Well two days later a truck pulled up to the Mexican border with 30 something horses on it from Three Angels (just goes to show you how honest the people involved in this are). A few of the horses were denied entry (can't imagine what happened to them... huh.. maybe all those abandoned horses with the chopped off brands and stickers on their butts are rejected slaughter horses? Maybe..) due to injuries.The remaining went through for $11,100 or roughly $350 per horse at a little over .30 a pound. So answer me this.. how is it that a kill buyer pays $50 to $400 a horse at an auction to fill his load, according to recent auction records, and holds those horses for the 90 days withdrawal period, feeds the horses, pays the trucker, keeps their trucks maintained and pays for fuel and makes a PROFIT? THEY DON'T! They haul those horses within a week of coming from auction. Thus the famous saying seven days from stable to table!

But the long transports! We need to do away with those! Right? Here is a hint.. Just because Mountain Grove, MO opens a slaughter house does not mean horses will stop shipping to Canada and Mexico. When we had Dallas Crown and the plant in Illinois horses still shipped to Canada and Mexico. And the last time I checked Missouri doesn't cover the whole of the US so horses will still have long shipping times! Even when we had plants here horses were being INHUMANELY shipped. They gouged out eyes, bludgeoned foals so mares could ship, tied mouths shut, horses were trampled to death, broke their legs, smashed their heads... on and on. And all of this happened and is still happening in the US, right under the "inspectors" noses. The main difference? The truckers didn't have to go through the borders and the injured horses went to the slaughter houses, more convenient for them of course. They don't have to abandon all those rejected horses. Unless you bubble wrap them there really isn't a way to haul a group of horses humanely, untied in a cattle truck.

But we have SO MANY horses! And so little buyers! Whose fault is that? I put the blame on the breeders and the registries. But we aren't solving this! Oh no! We are working to give those breeders and registries a perfectly inhumane out. Instead of breeding quality horses to quality horses to decrease volume we give breeders who breed 50+ horses incentives and tax breaks! Awesome, huh? No wonder these breeders want slaughter. They want to continue to breed and get rewarded for it! In fact most of them will probably sign on with the breeding for slaughter campaign! Horses will become the new ride-able bovine!

I mean what is the difference in horses and cows (sheep, goats, bla bla bla).. Hmm.. Well I know some do ride cows but that isn't the majority, I've never seen anyone ride a sheep or goat or chicken or ect. And I know we can use horses for Dressage, Cutting, Reining, Barrel Racing, Racing, Steeple chasing, Harness Racing, Show Jumping, Cross Country, Endurance, Trail Riding, Lessons, Vaulting, Polo, Skijouring, Plowing, Carriages, Wagon trails, Western Pleasure, Hunter/Jumper, Gymkhana, Fox Hunting, Trick Training... and that list keeps going. So the difference? If you can't see it.. I'm sorry then maybe you have drunk too much of the kool aid.

I'd go on but there really is little point. Pro-slaughter people don't want to work together to find a decent solution. Like rescues, gelding and euthanasia clinics, in home rescues, breeding licenses, hay banks and that stuff. NO, of course not, it doesn't include $$$$$! They'd rather go for the easy, profitable out. I have a mare here who is about seven months pregnant, three months ago she was headed to slaughter. She's young, usable and pretty. To me her and her foal are worth the life I can give them, including the beautiful broke to ride gelding that came with her. To the pro-slaughter folks? They aren't worth the ground I'm keeping them on. Haven't we grown past the society that needs to put everything from roach to lion on their plate? Don't we have enough animals to eat? Chickens, Geese, Rabbits, Goats, Cattle (all breeds of them), Buffalo, Turkey, Hogs, Deer, Squirrel, Snake, Turtle, Frogs.. Again, isn't that enough? We aren't starving. We waste nearly half the food we produce as is! Horse meat is going to feed the emaciated.. it cost $17+ a pound! And for all of you hunters out there who say that we are at the top of the food chain...bla bla bla... The last time I checked we didn't hunt horses.. not too long ago we were using them to hunt!

Stepht0213
Stepht0213

Temple Grandin supports opening horse slaughter in the US "as long as it's ethical". That's the dividing statement. There is nothing ethical about the horse slaughter industry. Put aside that the slaughter itself is cruel and inhumane, consider how the horses are acquired and then treated prior to arriving at the slaughter plant.  I am offended when someone like Sue Wallis refers to my opinions as immature and infantile. My dad was a cattle farmer and I've owned horses most of my life so just letting you know I wasn't born yesterday and I'm not against eating meat from animals raised for food or killed in the wild. What I am against is how those in the horse slaughter industry lie to get horses free or cheap from trusting and unsuspecting owners. They lie about the horses' registration papers, reusing those from horses sent to slaughter and matching them with horses they resemble. They reuse coggins and health certificates putting all horses at risk of contagious disease. Ask anyone who has ever worked in an auction and they will confirm these things happen on a daily basis. It is a deceitful predatory trade that brings the horse industry down. Officials and those supposedly regulating this industry turn a blind eye because they believe it's necessary but really they know the only way for kill buyers to make a profit is through their predatory and deceitful business practices. They cram as many horses as they can into trailers. This recent incident is a classic case of how deceitful and inhumane the horse slaughter trade really is and how officials turn a blind eye because the horses are going to slaughter.  Thanks to a diligent reporter for exposing the truth. http://www.wsmv.com/story/1694...

JanWindsong
JanWindsong

This is an interesting comment:   "Senator Wallis actually worked quite closely with the USDA to shepherd the legislative change through the system two years ago. "  It is a well known fact that the three representatives who actually pulled the prohibition of funding for USDA payroll to inspect did so behind closed doors and without the prior approval or subsequent vote of the House on their action.  The Senate version of the budget had the prohibition in and had been approved by  the Senate.  The House version had the prohibition in it until the midnight hour before deadline.   The revised budget came back to the House without the prohibition (over the objections of California representative Carr) and was presented for approval  at the last minute and signed by Pres Obama by remote pen.   Does the sentence above prove Sue Wallis complicit coercion? 

Could it be that Sue Wallis (not really a Senator by the way) was acting in concert with foreign investors to subjugate the will of the American people?  What sort of politician then forms and joins a for profit corporation hand in hand with a foreign meat producer (who holds larger than 50% interest) who had been tossed out of the United States on their ear after violating and putrifying the towns their plants were located?  Have those fines EVER been paid?  

It is no longer about the horsemeat - it is now about who runs America and what sort of BS it takes for these corrupt politicians to make a buck.

Irelandka
Irelandka

 Forty to fifty five jobs that are for hardened criminals, rapists ect. They are the people who gravitate towards these jobs. So [parents keep an eye on your kids. The rapists are coming , the rapists are coming . UGGGHHHH. . Shame on Sue Wallis and her despicable antics. Someone really needs to do some serious research on her filthy shameful ways.

Seebo457
Seebo457

disgusting, horses are not meant go be butchered with a single gun shot. Witness Canada's  slaughter plants, 

Esposagarcia
Esposagarcia

Ok first off 40-55 jobs....... what a freakin joke! I mean to create those jobs is crazy, who is going to help clean the water, the air, the lands surronding this place of murder, not to mention who is going to pay for the mental health issues that will arise out of this dasturdly plan, this is a travesty on humanity? Disgusting, look to Mayor Bacon (love the name) read her plight with a slaughter house... they are places of deceit, crime, usually non documented workers, they are boils on the skin of our society! It should be stopped, and to those of you who say " I would eat a horse" then get out of my country, go to where they accept this type of disgusting behaviour, I for one will picket any such BS if they dare come to my neck of the woods... my childre deserve better then to grow up around sick, twisted people, and the vile acts they commit, how many of the workers do sexual acts upon these poor animals before and even after death? I shudder to think! Sue Wallis is a fat pig and she needs to be shipped to slaughter, I for one would not object!

Davidjosh
Davidjosh

I agree but I think that's what many of the pro-slaughter posters are saying.  It's about choice.  Having one is what's important.  If you find the idea distasteful don't eat horse but there's nothing immoral about eating one.  It's very clear the anti-slaughter voices here are anti-choice.  I find the idea of someone dictating my diet very distasteful...pun intended:)

VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!
VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!

Americans do eat horses.  And they even used to feed them to cats and dogs <gasp!>.  Horses are not "pets".  Horses are working animals for the vast majority of those that own them.  We benefit from their labor.  We can benefit from their meat too.</gasp!>

JanWindsong
JanWindsong

And we will be there with you in spirit and in person if need be. 

JanWindsong
JanWindsong

Well, in this country = majority rules.

marguerite
marguerite

VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!!  

When you consider that in a recent scientific, nationwide poll conducted by a respected research group found that 80 percent of Americans are OPPOSED to horse slaughter; who's trying to force their opinions on whom?

Just like the three cowardly congressman who, in a closed door session, managed to get funding for slaughterhouse inspectors added to a needed appropriations bills; or the ag industry fighting to keep what goes on behind closed doors forever sealed from the American people, the pro slaughter forces want to cram horse slaughter down everyone's throats, the majority of the American people who have said they are against it that is.  

They want the majority of Americans to fund inspectors to the tune of 5 million dollars for something they are against to begin with and we know is probably a conservative estimate of the true cost, and they want taxpayers in whatever state would be so unfortunate to end up with a slaughterhouse to give them tax  breaks, clean up  the pollution that will invariably result from a slaughter plant opening, make all the upgrades to the infrastructure in whatever community would lose and end up with a pariah slaughter facility, etc.

Gee I wonder why people aren't scrambling to open up a slaughterhouse in their community.   And you call us anti slaughter people, among other things, unreasonable?  Someone needs to get hit by the clue bus.  

Slaughter is the only thing you pro slaughter people are willing to discuss and the only solution you want to see, when clearly there are other fixes for this problem without slaughtering horses.  

And for all the troglodytes, yes VeganWhiteKnight that'd be you, Greater minds than surely yours in the scientific,medical and other fields, have argued that people are indeed natural herbivores and have only 2 million years ago become cultural omnivores.  

"Humans are herbivores by anatomical and physiological design who have been inculcated (taught) to eat both flesh and plants in many societies of today.Thus, though humans are 'cultural omnivores', eating flesh causes a number of diseases in humans that are not produced in natural omnivores or carnivores, such as atherosclerosis."William C. Roberts, M.D., editor, American Journal of CardiologyAgain, like with horse slaughter, it's a relatively small group of special interests that want to manipulate and control the majority of Americans:  "I was told my very first day on the job that no matter what the research showed to never suggest eating less meat was a good way to avoid cancer."

Former Director of the National Institute of Health

Shelley Powers
Shelley Powers

A person can be against horse slaughter and not be a vegan. That's just your way of attempting to shut down the discussion--categorize the opponents to make them easier to dismiss. 

As for your rosy view of the past: people used to be owned as slaves in the past, too, so you may want to check your nostalgia at the door.

Horses are primarily companions, and as such are raised differently from food animals, and medicated differently from food animals. 

Horse slaughter won't provide a way of caring for homeless horses, because horse slaughter plants only want young, healthy, unmedicated stock. Evidently, the plan for this horse slaughter plant is to have enough space to breed horses specifically for slaughter. 

So kind of kills the whole "doing it to help the horses" nonsense.

No one has ever devised a humane way to ensure horses don't suffer, badly, during the slaughter process. I don't know if you're turned on by your food suffering badly before it dies, but I prefer humane livestock practices, myself.

Did you know that the states that had the last three slaughter houses before they were closed the last time horse slaughter was allowed, have state laws prohibiting horse slaughter? Yup, they don't want the plants back--they're an ecological and community nightmare.

Bunchgrassfarm
Bunchgrassfarm

"The last time I checked we didn't hunt horses"

Sorry hun but that's one theory of how they disappeared from NA 5 to 10,000  yrs ago.  Arrival of man on the scene just happens to coincide with the end of horses in North America.

Euthanasia clinics - really?  Oh no won't they be scared because they have such heightened awareness and with dead horses piling up out back they'll "know" what's coming.

"And I know we can use horses for Dressage, Cutting, Reining, Barrel Racing, Racing, Steeple chasing, Harness Racing, Show Jumping, Cross Country, Endurance, Trail Riding, Lessons, Vaulting, Polo, Skijouring, Plowing, Carriages, Wagon trails, Western Pleasure, Hunter/Jumper, Gymkhana, Fox Hunting, Trick Training"

I think HSUS feels these activities are abusive too - and perhaps some are but not all.  What does how we use horses have to do with how they end their lives?  IMO - raised, used and treated humanely and when the time comes slaughtered the same.  That's all I ask.

Shelley Powers
Shelley Powers

When you consider that one of the three senators who ushered in this change is none other than Roy Blunt, and now this plant is coming to Missouri...

Bunchgrassfarm
Bunchgrassfarm

Yeah, change the argument to national sovereignty. 

I'm a farmer and a liberal but I am absolutely embarassed at the BS being tossed about on this issue.  Wake up and look at what you're saying - "your town will be inundated with rapists and murderers" because you have a slaughter facility there?  Or "illegal workers"?

I bet not one person here has actually been inside of a slaughter facility during operation.  Well I have been in the Cargill plant at Pasco WA and it's nothing like the hype you're seeing posted here.  Yes, it is a slaughter plant, not a daycare facility, so there is going to be blood. 

As far as fear goes, you don't think hogs or cattle feel fear?  Or your beloved old dog when he's at the vet for his last round up? 

And HSUS has a list of points on their website regarding horse slaughter that are well written but not true.  Sad because I used to think they were a reputable organization.  Not anymore - seems they've been hijacked by the PETA kooks. 

Davidjosh
Davidjosh

What a sad attempt at fear-mongering...talk about despicable antics.

VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!
VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!

That is complete and utter horseshit and you know it.  Tell that to the bushman of the Kalahari.  Tell that to every single indigenous native culture found around the world that HUNTS and gathers.  Tell that to every cultural and archeological anthropologist that will cite evidence of animal consumption as far back and beyond 250,000 to homo sapien predecessors.  Even our closest ape corollaries (baboons and chimps) are omnivorous and will eat meat when available.

If eating meat is cultural, than eating meat is part and parcel of the human condition because the vast majority of us have been doing it since we could walk upright.

Quote all you want, but the evidence and logic is so clearly stacked against you.  Humans, even today, are predominantly omnivorous.  Once again...laughable.

Ttoys
Ttoys

 "IMO - raised, used and treated humanely and when the time comes slaughtered the same.  That's all I ask."

Good. Then you agree commercial horse slaughter doesn't meet your criteria because it's inherently inhumane.

PS...glad you know you don't rely on Wikipedia for your research. :)

VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!
VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!

Bunchgrassfarm,

They change the argument because they don't have one.  Totally on your side on this along with an ever increasing number of people.  I'm an attorney and a nutritionist and I've had to fight these people tooth and nail for 20 years now and philosophically it's like talking to 9 year olds.

I signed a friend of the court brief on behalf of Sea World in PETA's recent attempt to get the Orcas there classified as slaves and I can tell you the entire legal world, where decisions like this are made, are still laughing at HSUS and PETA.  Their arguments against horse slaughter are just as ludicrous and contrived.

They're crazy simply put and don't have the logical ability to see where their extreme views on animal personhood will lead them, this country, and the world.  My advice is to stop arguing and get politically active to ensure that the people on this board and in those organizations do not get the authority to dictate what you can and cannot do with your animals.

JanWindsong
JanWindsong

What no response to the role of politicians snaring the will of the American people up with foreign investors and local enablers? 

And yes, Sen. Blunt is from Missouri.  Could he have been in on the business plans this article opened with?  Isn't that collusion, corruption, and unAmerican?

No one have an answer? 

BerksBound
BerksBound

I have not been inside a horse slaughter plant (as indeed you haven't since Cargill doesn't slaughter horses), but I know several advocates who have, and I have heard their horrifying first hand accounts. Slaughtering horses is an entirely different proposition than other animals. If you can't understand how much more difficult it would be to slaughter an animal like a horse, I wonder how much you really know about horses?

And please, the attacks on HSUS are totally transparent. We get it. You're paranoid that an effective animal welfare group is trying to improve conditions for livestock, which may eat into the profits of producers.

marguerite
marguerite

To VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!:So many fallacies to dispel and so little time...Using logical fallacies much?  Just because something has always been done a certain way is no reason for it to continue to be done without change.  And just because the majority does something doesn't mean it's right or again that a certain thing should continue to be done because "everyone's doing it."  Heck, following that faulty reasoning, all the great cultural, social, political, artistic and scientific revolutions through the ages would never have occurred if man (and women) had wanted to maintain the status quo.   And you reference our omnivorous "ape corollaries (baboons and chimps)," who also enjoy an omnivore diet, but they also swing through the trees naked...should we do that too?"Did you know that cows, a natural herbivore, are exploited (like all meat animals, including horses, if horse slaughter would ever be allowed) and are forced to eat fishmeal, slaughterhouse waste, and other animal-sourced foods not because it is in the cows’ interests to do so, but because the meat industry ruthlessly exploits them and laces their food with drugs, chemicals, and antibiotics for their own interests, which causes cows to have dietary distress, cancerous tumors, and other problems." --From Dr. Will TuttleNow in the above paragraph, where you see "cow" put in "people," and if you have half a brain, you'll see it isn't just the cows, horses, pigs, or whatever animal, but also us that are pawns in the pharmaceutical/medical/insurance conglomerate complex that rakes in huge profits to treat our red-meat induced illnesses, such as heart disease, cancers, arthritis,autoimmune diseases, atherosclerosis, srokes, obesity, kidney disease, etc.  The conclusion being cows are no more "natural" omnivores than people, but are "forced" into it.  

VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!
VeganWhiteKnights...FU!!

What does what you just said have anything to do with the argument I just made supporting the overwhelming wisdom that humans are omnivorous!?!  I’m so sorry that you don’t have anything to rebut that with, but telling me to leave the U.S. is not an argument. "Reject the evolved values and morals of Americans."  You mean the 90% of Americans that eat meat!?!  From Wikipedia, “A 2008 Harris Interactive study of 5,050 respondents found that "approximately 0.5%, or 1 million [Americans] are vegans, who consume no animal products at all," while a significantly higher number, 3.2% of U.S. adults (7.3 million people) "follow a vegetarian-based diet" and 10% of U.S. adults, or 22.8 million people, "say they largely follow a vegetarian-inclined diet.” What fucking country do you live in...cause I live in one where people have overwhelming voted with their feet for freedom of choice in their diet, a diet that includes red meat.  Taking that further the majority of the world’s population is wanting to eat more meat, not less with every passing year.  I and the vast majority of us want freedom in our dietary choices, so do you.  I’m not trying to shove a steak down your throat.  Stop trying to force a carrot down mine.

BerksBound
BerksBound

 Perhaps if you so strongly espouse the life of the "bushman of the Kalahari," and reject the evolved values and morals of Americans, you are living in the wrong country? Just sayin'.

JanWindsong
JanWindsong

Are you refusing to correct or respond to the unthical behavior of your champions busy behind closed doors.  Come on - you are an attorney - interesting. 

Shelley Powers
Shelley Powers

And you've not been in a horse plant, so what you're telling others applies to you, doesn't it? 

But, as the above commenter mentioned, they know advocates who have, and the conditions are appalling. We've seen video. We've heard first hand from a mayor of the town that had one of the last horse slaughter plants. All tell us the same thing: horse slaughter plants are nothing but bad news.

Missouri has a bad enough reputation when it comes to animals, including our determination to remain the number one puppymill state in the country. Do we really want to be the first state to open a horse slaughter plant?

Bunchgrassfarm
Bunchgrassfarm

Sorry - I assumed you understood I meant a beef plant when I said Cargill (IBP at the time).  Until you personally have been inside of a slaughter plant, you have nothing but second hand information to go by (or worse).  Hardly reliable and unbiased when it's from " several advocates" as you say.

"how much more difficult it would be to slaughter an animal like a horse, I wonder how much you really know about horses". 

Wow - how did we ever do it?   

"And please, the attacks on HSUS are totally transparent. We get it. You're paranoid that an effective animal welfare group is trying to improve conditions for livestock, which may eat into the profits of producers"

My attack on HSUS is meant to be transparent.  But apparently you've speculated on my motivation there as well.  They've taken up causes, like the ban carriage horses in NYC, that are completely based on BS and twisting of the facts.  I fully support improving conditions for livestock but that seems to not be the goal of HSUS anymore.  That's my complaint.  Nothing to do with profits

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