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The BBC Looks North and South of Delmar and Finds Two Cities

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An unidentified man waves across the economic great divide that is Delmar.
The BBC Magazine has a weekly video feature entitled "Altered States" that examines economic conditions on the local level here in America. This week's feature is on the two St. Louis' -- the one north of Delmar Boulevard, and the one south of Delmar. It can't be embedded, but you can watch it here.

If you've lived in the city for any length of time, nothing in the video will come as a surprise. The black people (nobody is identified in the video) are passionate about their Academy/Sherman Park neighborhood, but lament the disparity between personal wealth, economic opportunity and living conditions on their side of Delmar, compared to the mostly white neighborhood to the south. The white people talk about their beautiful architecture and how lovely it is in the Central West End, and then express some vague regrets about the economic devastation to the north.

At no point does the BBC sit down with a black St. Louisan and a white St. Louisan and ask them to discuss the matter, but that burden isn't really on the BBC. That's our responsibility to bear, and we rarely wish to discuss it among ourselves or with each other. As that one man astutely notes, "I think we've just gotten used to it."

Still, as an outsider's look at our city (or cities, as it were), it's interesting to see how we come across to people unfamiliar with our strange divide.

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Soul_Bruthaz
Soul_Bruthaz

The BBC instead should focus on how the savage voodoo barbarians are attacking Whites and murdering and raping them and the jewish media expects everyone to just keep their fucking mouths shut and keep taking it. Fuck the jews.

Whitey
Whitey

Portraying coloreds in AmeriKwa as the victims rather than the destroyers that they are, is classic jewish, Anti-White, propaganda. If you look around at who benefits from coloreds it's always the jew, the jew architect, the jew public housing builder, the jew publisher, the jew media mogul....

Whitey
Whitey

African American? There is no such thing as an African American. Just packs of roaming slope heads.

Shabadoo
Shabadoo

Forest park southeast, mcree town, shaw, TGS, TGE, benton park west, gravois park, dutchtown are all south of delmar, just to name a few of the diverse or majority black south city hoods, not sure I get this.

Southside Towing
Southside Towing

They became so as African Americans left the Northside due to underdevelopment.

Eric Vineyard
Eric Vineyard

Underdevelopment is a nice way to put it, but I think you know that.

Shabadoo
Shabadoo

so by "bbc finds two cities" they mean two neighborhoods?  most large American cities have rich and poor neighborhoods right next to each other, pretty standard.

Shabadoo
Shabadoo

that may be true, but that doesn't change that fact that the south side is full off all kinds of people, including lots of black people.  And they are not north of delmar

Eric Vineyard
Eric Vineyard

The specific focus is between the CWE - one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the city (and where most of the city's investment dollars went in the '70s and '80s.) and Academy/Sherman Park (which suffered when city planners made downtown and the CWE its priority in the '70s and '80s).

Paul
Paul

 Shabadoo, the BBC video is about 4 minutes long. They chose to focus on one neighborhood because the economic differences between the north and south side of one street are so pronounced. It wasn't presented as a probing look into St. Louis, just a glimpse at one area.

ihtnep
ihtnep

What they say in the report is true, but it seems a bit oversimplified to me.  Time constraints, I suppose.  The neighborhood north of Delmar is the West End, and while there are some rough parts, there are also streets where many houses have been rehabbed and are desirable.  If the Delmar streetcar starts running on the proposed route, that neighborhood will likely become more desirable, spurring more rehabs.  To paint all of south St. Louis as white is obviously inaccurate to those who live there.  Although most of north St. Louis has a high black population, it is unfair to paint it as a hopeless dump.  I have driven through various north St. Louis neighborhoods, and while there are bad areas as shown, there are also areas of well kept properties.  

Also, the part about the ghetto grocery store didn't match at all my experience when I went into the Schnucks on Natural Bridge.  It had all the nice premium stuff that you would find in a west county Schnucks.  Clean orderly place, no bars, no extra security, nothing unusual except I was the only white guy.  Instead of a stark contrast about rich white side, and poor black side, they might have balanced it by showing, say, the recent developments around Crown Candy.  Bottom line, yes, St. Louis has many problems, and still has segregated areas.  But can we occasionally mention our success stories instead of constantly beating ourselves up, or allowing the BBC to do it?

Euro_Zone
Euro_Zone

As a European American I need to know - why are blacks my burden? They have no bloodline connection to me, they don't like me even though they don't know me nor are they even friendly towards me.  I don't owe them a thing but to ask a liberal, I am responsible for their daily provender.

Anonymous Hominid
Anonymous Hominid

No, you owe America. They are our poor and will continue to negatively affect society as a whole until we on the opposite side decide to invest in solutions with a long term outlook. Besides, there are many more whites on the safety net than blacks. It's an issue of poverty not race.

Whitey
Whitey

Fuck that shit! Fuck that bullshit! It's all fucking lies! Jigs ain't never gonna hit a lick because liberals have been padding their nest for decades.

Penni
Penni

As a fairly ignorant white British female, I'm shocked at how there is such a divide between white and black people in the north and south!! I just watched the bbc video and I wish they did a longer documentary to portray what it's really like for individuals living on both sides, and what plans are being made by the government or council or whoever to bridge the gap

billstreeter
billstreeter

Plans? There are no plans to bridge the gap that I've ever heard of. As near as I can tell the divide is by design--that IS the plan.

Southside Towing
Southside Towing

It was codified in city and federal plans.

Didimus
Didimus

 The plan is code named "Section 8"

Kitty
Kitty

It certainly comes as no surprise. The challenge becomes how to make economic opportunity and education equally accessible throughout the city, especially in a recession.

The Real KITTY
The Real KITTY

Equality? That's the road to SERFDOM! Heil Hitler!

KITTY
KITTY

To make the stark comparisons between those north and south of Delmar, alll the BBC has to do is look at the north side which has the highest rates for murder, sexually transmitted diseases, teen pregnancies and bastard children.

Southside Towing
Southside Towing

I suppose you have taken up residency North of Delmar then?  We don't need any more sister-fucking, undereducated, gap-tooth, cracker spawn running around St. Louis.  We have enough moronic racist Tea Party fucks in this metropolitan area.  Please take your David Duke-worshiping ass and go invade an island country as was attempted by the incompetent Council of Conservative Citizens.

This is a serious topic.  People wonder how these divisions in American cities happened.  Well apply your blatant racism to institutions with money and power, like banks and the government, and it's not hard to understand.  Go read a book by someone besides Adolph Hitler and Glenn Beck.  You might learn something.  Yet I wonder if your anti-American Nazi brain of yours can process fact?

Whitey
Whitey

Kiss my White ass field hand!

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