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Saturday Night Special: Big Crowds, A Brawl and A Couple Shootings in the Loop

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The parking lot of Church's Chicken at Skinker and Delmar was the scene of two shootings Saturday night.
The unseasonably warm weather brought out a big crowd to the University City Loop on Saturday night. Most of those people were there for a concert, a meal, or just to sit outside and enjoy drink on a nice night, but there were also some looking for trouble. And as is the case with trouble, it doesn't take much work to find it. 

Hundreds of teenagers congregated in the East Loop near Skinker Avenue and Delmar Boulevard shortly before 9 p.m., according to KMOX's Michael Calhoun, who was on the scene. A fight broke out, then shots were fired into the air. Heavier than normal police patrols from University City and St. Louis City were already in the area, and they quickly moved to defuse the situation. 

But you can't keep stupid people from acting stupidly when they really set their minds to it. 
At 11 p.m., two teenagers were hit by gunfire in the parking lot of Church's Chicken at that same corner of Delmar and Skinker. Both are in stable condition at area hospitals. 

Mayor Francis Slay, University City Mayor Shelley Welsch and unofficial Loop Mayor Joe Edwards held a press conference Sunday that was short on details about what happens next for the Loop but long on reiterating that what happened Saturday night is out of the ordinary

As a pedestrian who works and lives within the compass of the Loop, I'll co-sign on that. Last spring and summer were quiet on the brawling and shooting front, at least compared to the previous years. The Loop's controversial 9 p.m. curfew for unaccompanied teens younger than 16 and the impending debut of security cameras, plus more police foot patrols in the neighborhood, have gone a long way toward mitigating problems before they start. Indeed, when the RFT spoke with Edwards about the security cameras back in February, he proudly noted that crime was at a 40-year low in the area.  

But St. Louis City has a midnight curfew for minors, which is why both the brawls and the shooting happen along Skinker. Figuring out that part of the problem is going to be the trick. Police reportedly had a nuisance abatement truck parked catty-corner from the Church's at the Shell Station, and it didn't preclude the swelling gaggle of teenagers, the brawling or the shootings.

To reiterate, you can't stop stupid -- you can only hope to contain it. 

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MrHacks
MrHacks

Anyone remember this old story? http://www.riverfronttimes.com...Last time it was the Metrolink that was to blame. This time, it is social media. When are people going to grow a pair and realize these kids have no moral compass and don't really give a shit about them enough to teach them right from wrong.  We're all lucky they haven't decided to have a Knock Out Game marathon to see who can crack the most fucking skulls and who can make the street turn red with the blood of their quarry?We know they aren't going to school and we know school isn't teaching them not to do this shit!  You could turn Delmar into a police state like London and you'd still have the big black mob of possibly retarded goons trying to bash people's heads in for their own amusement!

MrHacks
MrHacks

Here's your problem right here. You've got the only Fried Chicken restaurant that is open after 10 PM. The Lee's Chicken, KFC, Popeye's, and Church's in my neighborhood isn't even open that late.  And the black to white ratio on my end of town is nearly 1:1. Cut off the supply at 9!

General_Lee
General_Lee

Show of hands: How many people here have had it with liberal Hipster dufuses with ponytails telling Whites to commit racial suicide?

Danieljoeoconnor
Danieljoeoconnor

these young black youths need a dose of the african sjambok.  they know if they're under 18 thay can always get off.  whip they big black rumps with the african sjambok .  thats what they give'em in africa.  them welts are good fer'em and they are askn fer it. so they get it like they want it.

Ripley
Ripley

Vasquez: [after barely surviving the Alien surprise attack] Okay. We have several canisters of CM-20. I say we go back in there and nerve gas the whole fuckin' nest.

Hicks: It's worth the try, but we don't know if that's gonna affect them.

Hudson: Let's just bug out and call it even, mat! What are we even talking about this for?

Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. 

Shabadoo
Shabadoo

this is the coolest thing to happen in the loop in years. 

Chris
Chris

The real problem is that the Loop is increasingly uncool.

Loop_Is_For_Losers
Loop_Is_For_Losers

It seems to me that the solution is to continue using the same tired liberal bullshit that has never worked in the past but to expect different outcomes every time it's tried. That solution is to alienate and insult the White population that is actually patronizing the businesses by characterizing ALL Whites as toothless, racist, hillbillies that don't have an ounce of education and the one and only reason they object to fights, violence and shootings is because their skin is White and they want to spawn some low down, dirty trick on these innocent "youngsters" so that the Whites can keep the Old South alive and repressing the black man.

Self hating White liberals lecture everyone that it's all about tolerance. Yeah tolerance for everyone except what Whites and Christians want because as far as Whites and Christians go, liberals say Whites and Christians can just Go Fuck themselves. Nonetheless liberals constantly bitch that Whites and Christians need to make damn sure that they keep picking up the tab and paying for everyone else's free ride because "they owe it" and that debt no matter how much is laid down can never be paid off. That is never paid off except by the genocide of Whites and Christians.

Brad Hicks
Brad Hicks

Somebody on KSDK last night made the interesting point that the way the UC cops are enforcing curfew sets this up: by doing one big sweep all at once, herding all of the teenagers in the Loop out at the same time, they're effectively crowding hundreds of teenagers into the one tiny parking lot at the city line.

Unsurprisingly, some of them have issues with each other, issues that didn't come up when they were avoiding each other all night. But crowded together in a tight space, all the cops in the world can't stop fights from breaking out.

It ought to be more scandalous than it is how many American citizens feel the need to pack heat when they go out drinking on a Friday night. Even Tombstone during the Wild West days didn't allow concealed carry inside city limits at times when people were likely to be drinking, but we do in Missouri. Unsurprisingly, especially with so many guns just waiting to be stolen out of peoples' cars, it trickles down to the teenagers, too.

Aaron Akins
Aaron Akins

It's hard to say anything at all about this when the RFT comment section is a cesspool of racist bullshit.

Pokey
Pokey

What is needed is segregation or deportation. The failed black race can not be fixed. It's a genetic problem not a financial one.

Smithjones
Smithjones

Giving these thugs a  place to play are hang out is not the answer.The police  need to be ALLOWED to enforce laws sternly and effectively and those who are guilty of causing the mayhem will be punished severly.White are Black makes no differance  , its unfortunate that its Blacks that seem to be the problemand many have no guidance whats so ever and roam and cause havoc like packs of dogs. Mayor Slay and his side kick Rainford need to get a grip and start taking responsibilty for the terrible job of managing the city and allowing this city to turn into a Ghetto full of problems.

ee
ee

the biggest problem isn't stupidity, it's city planning.  there isn't a place for teenagers to go nowadays.  no public spaces are open past dark, even the malls have minor curfews now.  if there were places for teenagers to safely convene, maybe these problems would subside.

DYarborough
DYarborough

The behavior of black youth today is the worst I’ve ever seen it, even compared to the 90s.  I’m a 42 years old black man in University City and I see them causing mayhem everyday.  What’s really frightening is the motivation or lack of it for that matter.  So much of it has no reasons to it all, not that having one justifies it.  Not robbery.  Not dealing.  Not girls.  Nothing.  I’ve seen firsthand these kids go looking for trouble and take great pleasure in causing mayhem for its own sake.  They look at getting arrested or chased by the police as a badge of honor.  How can I blame non-blacks for being scared of these thugs when I’m black and I’m scared of them?  How can anyone blame people for stereotyping them when they do everything possible to play up the stereotypes as much as possible?  Lots of people will say it’s the parents fault but what many don’t know is that many black parents are scared to death of their own kids.  They are totally out of control.  As long as this behavior continues and the community remains silent I see a very dark future for race relations in this nation and the funerals of many more black children to come.

Wcu12
Wcu12

I know most of us try and keep stereotypes in the back of our minds..but cmon youth of the Loop, give us a break. A shooting in Church's chicken? Thats the apex of stereotypical black males.

Pokey
Pokey

They "jus yoofs n sheeit". If "stingee ass wyt crackaz wud bild dem sum bassitbaw coats n sheeit deez yoofs wud haf sum plays ta go n sheeit"

General_Lee
General_Lee

Call in the Air Force and Napalm the entire area.

Pokey
Pokey

It's not the White mans job to provide muds with basketball courts because then the jigs just gather there, trash the place and then pull out their 9's and shoot up the place. The jury is in, jigs are violent, voodoo, barbarian, failed race and no amount of White money will fix a failed race.

Lin Staum
Lin Staum

a place for them to safely convene is at HOME.  I was NEVER allowed to run the streets, and no matter how much belly aching I did, my parents kept me at home where I stayed out of trouble.  That is the problem, the parents are absent or allow them to run a muck.  Curfew is the only answer at this point and they HAVE to enforce it.  How do HUNDREDS of kids convene at a Church's Chicken?, COME ON!!!!

Chris
Chris

 It's a parent's own damn fault, barring exceptional circumstances, if they raise a child they're afraid of.

Miqel
Miqel

With all due respect, many of these kids don't have fathers,  at least they weren't around after the initial bang job.  They are raised by the mother, alone, or more often, by the grandmother.  Most don't have a father figure in their lives.  The gang becomes the father figure and we all know how that woks out.

Master Yoda
Master Yoda

With all due respect, a lot of black fathers are in prison. I don't think this can be blamed on the African American Community, which the state has been dismantling for decades. Provide investment and opportunity before others judge them with middle class white standards. Not everyone can live up to those social mores given the degree of disparity present in this region and nation.

Pokey
Pokey

With zero respect, the jig fathers put themselves in prison. So try this: Wipe the tears from your worthless, self pitying, eyes and then fuck yourself in the ass with a razor covered dildo, you PC shitbag.

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