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Akin: Evolution is "Not Even A Matter of Science"

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Ever see Inherit the Wind, Todd? If you haven't, here's a spoiler: The politician who denies evolution gets so flustered trying to defend his position that he dies at the end.
Todd Akin, Missouri's Republican Senate candidate, trained engineer, member of the U.S. House of Representatives' Committee on Science, Space and Technology and self-appointed expert on female reproductive issues has taken upon himself another role: Challenger of the dubious theory of evolution!

At a Tea Party meeting yesterday in Jefferson City, Akin assured his audience that evolution is more or less bunk.

Apparently some well-meaning meeting attendee had asked Akin what he thought of evolution. Here is his entire reply:

Here's the transcript:

I've taken a look at both sides of the thing, and it seems to me that evolution takes a tremendous amount of faith, to have all of a sudden all the different things that have to be lined up to create something as sophisticated as life. It takes a lot of faith. I don't see it as even a matter of science because I don't know that you can prove one or the other.

We can talk about theology and all kinds of science things, but I'm basically concerned about, you've got a choice between Claire McCaskill and myself. My job is to make the thing there. If we want to do theoretical stuff, we can do that, but I think I better stay on topic.

So wait a second. Is Akin saying that it takes more faith to believe in evolution, which took place over millions of years, documented by fossils and genetics (can we submit those as "proof"), than in what? That God created the entire universe in six days? (We won't even get into the creation myths of non-Christians, Jews or Muslims.)

And also, this man has a background in science?

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DocBill
DocBill

All of you Missourians who use smart phones, iPhones, HTC or Windows - guess what?  They're all manufactured by ATHEISTS in China thanks to Akins.  Yep, by keeping the Missouri workforce uneducated Akins has driven all manufacturing to China.

Oh, but it's the wages (!) you say.  Nope, it's the educated workforce AND the educated engineers who can retool a factory in a few weeks that makes the difference.

So, well done Missourians!  You have screwed yourselves out of 21st century jobs by listening to Akins and other moron legislators.  Great job, oh, out of a job.  My bad.


Fitday19550
Fitday19550

In science "theory" means a large body of facts that consistently support an idea or strategy, with the corollary that the facts that don't support the idea either turn out to be wrong or mutually inconsistent.

KittyLitterKing
KittyLitterKing topcommenter

I may be off the mark, but this is pretty innocuous stuff from Aiken.  For a guy who has professed absolute certainty as to how people should behave in accordance with scripture, to say <i> "I don't know that you can prove one or the other." </i> is an acknowledgment of doubt, which is something all of us, religious or otherwise, should probably admit when dealing with "big issues" like "How were we made?"

JamesMadison
JamesMadison topcommenter

oh, the eighth grade Mr. Science junkies proclaim superior knowledge. Science is full of theories, and what seems to be fact today, is proven wrong tomorrow when a new theory is made to explain a new set of findings. Science is a never ending set of questions, and quite sort of answers. What you are doing is accepting "close enough" answers as facts. In science that is unacceptable.

 

The theory of gravity has been proven wrong on a subatomic scale. Something Sir Isaac Newton could never envision. The theory is then modified. Tomorrow, some other event will deny the newer theory causing more modifications. The theoretical gravitational fields within a black hole do not seem to match our modified theories of gravity, yet again modifying what we thought we knew.

 

The evolution is in science itself. This is a good thing. We keep learning. We never accept something as fact, not to be questioned. Some theories are good enough for engineering. Yet in science, we keep asking the probing deeper.

rocketman
rocketman

There is a "theory" of evolution AND a fact of evolution.   The fact is evolution happens!   That's why you need a flu shot every year instead of just one, becuase the virus MUTATES.   The "theory" of evolution is:   we aren't sure how evolution happens, but here is how we THINK it works.  Similar to there is a God and there is a Bible.

goldsmith2_99
goldsmith2_99

Just one thats all I'm asking just one scientifically verifiable FACT of God's existance? No I have to take it on Faith.... That should tell everyone Science which REQUIRES Verifiable FACTS trumps your 100 different books that say it's true because my god said so but you can't even agree on who's god is right? There are 7 billion people on this earth... 70% believe in their god.... but individually no religon has a majority.... Luckily most of the 30% are Scientists who are giving the world what we need to advance and grow and prosper!

 

Corrilynn Coco
Corrilynn Coco

I didn't say evolution didn't exist.. I just said I, personally didn't come from a monkey so if you guys wanna claim to be a monkey that's cool but don't bash a man for his beliefs and say he's a nut...

Christopher Schmidt
Christopher Schmidt

Funny, just read in West County Magazine an editorial from a Wildwood man imploring we vote for Akin. Uh, no, Akin is a douchebag. He actually believes the crap he spews from his mouth and thinks it is ok to get rid of medicare, cut educational spending and loans for college students (aka Mitt Romney), and his "rape" comment, he BELIEVES what he says is true. I seriously doubt he'd bring jobs for the common folk, maybe he'll start up his own church of followers, oh wait, he already has most of conservative west county in his back pocket. Sorry Todd, you aren't getting my vote, too conservative for me.

jealousblues1
jealousblues1 topcommenter

I think he is confusing evolution with the beginnings of life (which arnt really the same thing)

Adam Hardebeck
Adam Hardebeck

@Corrilynn..you have to be joking right? I hope that was not a real statement.

Brenda Meng
Brenda Meng

How does Akin bring jobs by being a Senator when he's already been in the House for ten years? By your reasoning he's as much to blame as Claire. And for what it's worth I don't actually blame either of them for unemployment being where it is. We are not a hub for investment like other cities / states are, for a whole host of reasons that cannot be easily solved by either a Republican or Democratic senator. I want the most moderate candidate I can find who is willing to work on behalf of all of us ... my experience with Mr. Akin is that he is neither moderate nor willing to listen to different perspectives. That's not the kind of leader I look for ... but I'm not going to tell anyone who disagrees me that they're wrong. We all look for different things in our candidates - the important thing is to vote and let your voice be heard.

Steve Mincer
Steve Mincer

ya, he's a nut. BUT...look at our unemployment rate compared to other midwest states. claire has to go, folks. women need to grow up and not fall for democrat scare tactics. if akin is elected you'll still be able to get the pill, still be able to have an abortion, but you won't have to live with mom and dad anymore because you'll have a JOB!

Brenda Meng
Brenda Meng

evolution is defined as a change in inherited biological characteristics over successive generations. it can be proved quite easily in your own garden by planting two different types of seeds together - the resulting plant or flower is a hybrid of the original two. You can claim it's not science but it is. Personally, I don't understand why some folks seem to be so threatened by. If you believe in God and that he / she / it created a planet and universe as diverse as ours, why can't evolution be a part of that plan? Doesn't make much sense to me, but to each his / her own.

Corrilynn Coco
Corrilynn Coco

God created man, nuff said.. Science can try to define how he created them.. But anyone who thinks we are monkeys are just sick in the head and need help.. Just because they are the most alike creature when compared to a human does not mean we are the same or branched from him.. It just means we have some of the same functions. I don't know why everyone has to go messing with the Republicans.

Brenda Meng
Brenda Meng

Here we go again ... this man should not be elected to national office. He's an embarrassment on so many topics that I don't even know where to start. I remember when the Republican party used to sponsor intelligent candidates who were truly fiscal conservatives. This guy is a zealot and nothing more.

JamesMadison
JamesMadison topcommenter

There is a reason it is called the "THEORY" of evolution. It is not scientific fact. It is a theory that tries to explain a tiny piece of the grander puzzle. The fossils do not prove evolution. They simply show a few individuals of a greater number of a species. Statistically, sampling one of a million is not a good sample to draw any conclusions. Evolution still has to explain how "something comes from nothing."

ephraim7
ephraim7

If pastors, priests. rabbis, and "so called" Christians would stop their false (old Earth) and foolish (young Earth) teachings, and start promoting the truth of Genesis (Observations of Moses), then there would hardly be any room for the ridiculous teaching of evolution.

 

Collectively, Bible believers are so "blind", that their approach to Genesis is a joke.  Instead of seeking the truth, they continue to support the current lies and foolishness of Creationism.  Genesis does not have any "Creation accounts".  When you keep telling a person that their car is running out of gas, and they refuse to look at the fuel gauge and go to the gas station, you begin to wonder how "dumb" they are.

 

Perhaps they are just like the Jews, who value tradition over the truth of scripture.

 

Is it strange that Atheists want the cram their false beliefs down everyone else's throats, without allowing a (valid) opposing view?

 

Herman Cummings

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TerryWard
TerryWard

Mr. Akin is himself proof that evolution does not exist.

krausd94
krausd94

Cognitive dissonance is very powerful. There are probably people who use evolution everyday but who will insist that the world is 6,000 years old if they're Christian or that we were engineered by aliens if they are a secular type who listens to late night talk radio. 

davidevartsii
davidevartsii

Mr. Akin the type of grandiose statements that you make are not even acceptable to knowledgable and honest young-earth anti-evolutionists and are certainly not acceptable to Christians and scientists.  Shame on you.  The following quotation is routinely given by Dr. Todd Wood, one of the very, very few young-earth folks with a PhD in a biology realted field."Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well. I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.) Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution.

smdrpepper
smdrpepper

How is this guy even on the science committee?  Seems like all the republicans on it just keep denying science constantly.  Heres an idea, make a BS committee and have them all on it so they can rant and rave to each other yet have no control or power over anything other than what they want for lunch.

smdrpepper
smdrpepper

 @rocketman That is a false analogy.  We can prove evolution and we know how it works by looking at the fossil record as well as genetics and observation of modern animals.  We know its happening and what drives it, hence the reason we call it the Theory of Evolution and not the vague idea of evolution.  It takes a LOT of proof and evidence in the Scientific Method for it to reach the level of Theory, which is second only to Scientific Law.  Other notable Theories are the Theory of Gravity which no one seems to ever question, the Big Bang Theory which does get some flack from the creationists crowd, and the Theory of General Relativity which is a newcomer.

All of these have been thoroughly tested by a large number of scientists and proven many times over.  The reason these are all theories and not laws is simply because there is always something new to add.  In other words, they can change as we expand out knowledge, something Akin and his ilk do not seem to be able to do.

As for proving a "god", it cannot be done.  There is no possible test to prove it since it relies upon faith.  And what about the other "gods" that are out there and have been there before?  Which is correct?

Religion is nothing more than myth with a philosophical bent and contains about as much science as a comic book.  Yes, some things may have happened, but all of it can be demonstrated as natural phenomena and not the work of some supernatural being.

I wont even go into the lack of fact in the bible.

spector567
spector567

I bash the man for his arrogence and utter ignornence on a topic he obviosly knows nothing about.

I comment to you because you think evolutionary theory says you came from a monkey something it doesn't say in the least.

So you are more than welcome to believe you came from a monkey but the rest of use came from millions of years of struggle and effort.

goldsmith2_99
goldsmith2_99

 @base212assm

 You really need to go back to JR High and learn the difference between Scientific Theory and a generic theory.... The Theory of Gravity do you dispute it? Really jump out a 10 story window and see if "god" saves you? what's to worry about Gravity is "JUST A THEORY" right? NO you jump you DIE because a scientific theory has been tested over and over again and shown to be how the REAL WORLD WORKS.... There is NO scientifically verifiable evidense that Evolution is WRONG... Just as the Theory of Gravity has no verifiable evedence that it is WRONG!

goldsmith2_99
goldsmith2_99

 @base212assm

 ok the theory of gravity isn't a fact so please step out of the 10th story window and ask your God to save you from the mean scientists who prove over and over the Theories you don't like? No didn't think so....

jealousblues1
jealousblues1 topcommenter

thats kind of bunk

there is a theory of gravity and germ theory with we all pretty much believe.

 

Evolution is not about the beginning of life from nothing

smdrpepper
smdrpepper

 @base212assm How is it there are so many who were not paying attention in science class?  In the scientific method, a theory is for all intent and purpose been proven to be a fact, there are just still small amounts of improvement needed.

Never once does anyone complain about the theory of gravity or any other scientific theory.  But the theory of evolution HAS been proven.

goldsmith2_99
goldsmith2_99

 @ephraim7

 what Valid opposing View? please site any peer reviewed verifiable opposing view? Asking for an opposing view to Evolution? Scientific Rational Peer reviewed? Not a because the bible says so response Sir?

Neytiri
Neytiri

He was fired from the committee recently, @smdrpepper.

smdrpepper
smdrpepper

 @innov8 Not soon enough.  And what about the others who keep claiming science is a "lie from the pits of hell".  This is the sort of idiocy we need to excise from our collective consciousness.

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