Video: Senator John Lamping Slams Retired Pastor In Bizarre Religious Debate At Capitol

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Lamping continues, "You're advocating for further funding of public schools, and I find it quite ironic...that you're not down here the next day advocating for the reintroduction of faith into the public school system."

Bennett responds, "I am advocating for the introduction of faith into public policy."

"But not schools!" Lamping interjects.

Lamping later adds that individuals do have a moral obligation to care for the most vulnerable, "but to think that we are going to execute that through government.... It's been a complete failure. It's done far more damage than good."

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John Lamping at a Richmond Heights parade.

"We respectfully disagree, Senator," Bennett says.

"And I'm certainly disappointed," Lamping says, later concluding, "We'll both get down on our knees tonight and pray for each other, won't we, reverend?

After the hearing, Bennett tells Daily RFT that it's clear the prayer-in-schools debate is over and that he is ultimately more concerned with public policy supporting vital social programs.

"Every child in this nation has a right to pray at school in private or with a group of friends, and to me that's not an issue," he says. "I think it's been settled."

Bennett, who lives in Jefferson City, adds, "Budgets should reflect the...values of the people, and to me, the most significant value is concern for the public good...of all, not just a few."

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bradaslc
bradaslc

The question is, as always, about human values.  I would like to know who or what informs the values of those who would want to cut social programs for the most vulnerable in society?  I heard most senators say they are people of "faith."  If that is true, what values regarding suffering human beings do they draw upon in their Faith or their God?  What does their God ask them to do to help the poor?  My reading of the Judaic/Christian God is that God cares for the community above individuality.  God's passion is for the "whole world," not just bits and pieces.  I would have asked the senator about the "irony" or "hypocrisy" of "God We Trust" on Federal notes we know as our money!  Or, the fact that their are religious chaplains paid by the state and federal tax dollars who pray in the houses of Government as well as in our military bases!  Irony?   These senators talk of their faith and God as if God draws a line between helping the poor at the doors of Congress.  Really?  Is God so limited and short sighted as to let people suffer for the sake of a government?  That somehow a human institution of governing is more important than human suffering?  So God is a respecter of  governments over and beyond the poor?   In psychological circles this is known as compartmentalization.  But my gut tells me this is also political bias on the part of these "faithful" senators and a complete misunderstanding of the Judaic/Christian discourse and values/compassion of God within those pages.  As someone has already posted, we are dealing with human being in OUR communities regardless of ones faith or not!  Makes me question the definition of politicians as "public servants."   Who do they serve?  I think the senators own words say all to clearly who they serve.  Hint: it's not the most vulnerable.


Anngie1984
Anngie1984

If you are going to look to scripture for guidance, show me the place where it says government or Caesar has the responsibility to care for the poor. Scripture says it is up to each of us to take on this responsibility personally and our reward is the grace we receive through the positive feeling we get from helping others. To turn this over to a government bureaucrat whose biggest concern is that all the accountability measures have been met belies a laziness on the public's part. Why do this work ourselves when we can just pay the government to do so? To have a religious leader advocating for this speaks volumes about how misguided churches have become in instructing their flocks and his plan would deny his congregants God's grace. This is the biggest indictment of Rev. Bennet's position.  Successful outreach programs always rely on personal involvement with those being helped. Please show me the case where anyone has successfully paid someone else to be compassionate. The poor and the needy need our personal attention and compassion far more than the need the faceless material help of a government bureaucrat.

bradaslc
bradaslc

@Anngie1984 Your question is based upon modernity, not the 1st century, therefore it is a baseless question of biblical interpretation.  There was NO division between God and politics in 1st century Judaism.  The Temple was BOTH the political AND religious heart of Jewish society and culture.   The Pharisees and priest were BOTH political and religious persons.  As far as that goes, that was true of 1st century Roman senators who were both priest in their local houses of worship and senators of governing.  The question the temple authorities posed to Jesus regarding taxes had NOTHING to do with public funds but with the question of "impurity" regarding Roman currency in the Temple.  BTW, last time I checked, "a government bureaucrat" is a human being too!  Presumably with a heart and conscious!  They are NOT evil people per se, if so, no "faithful" Republican would want to serve as a politician either!  So the question persists...not whether government is good or bad, but WHO does government represent and WHO do they serve as elected "public servants"?   If government is so bad, I find it ironic that so many conservative people run for office! 

kfoxclark
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Senator Lamping wouldn't be so anxious for religion in school if his kids went to a school that was predominantly Muslim and his kids were forced to pray to Allah.  So why is it he thinks that US citizens who are Jewish, Muslim, and Hindu should be forced to pray to his god?  I am a Christian, but do not believe the government should promote any particular religion.  Our founders escaped from the tyranny of forced religion to create a nation of religious freedom.  Christians need to wake up and realize that they are driving more people AWAY from Christianity with this attitude.  The Reverend is right -- if government would simply work to take care of the least of these, Christians and other religions could join in and help, as many are doing.  And I prefer that my school teach children to respect their elders and not  bully others . . . something definitely lacking in Sen. Lamping's character.  

jdhight01
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I would be very interested on how the religious Senator Lamping justifies his views through the Bible.  The current Senate and House's infatuation with making everything easier for corporate America and the wealthy at the expense of the middle class, working poor, the unemployed, the disabled, students, education, the elderly, and the poor does not align with the teachings of Jesus Christ.  Did Jesus tell the poor to leave the temple and the money changers to stay?  Is Senator Lamping involved with ALEC, whose policies favor the wealthy at the expense of everyone else, even those who were left homeless after Hurricane Sandy? Is this in line with biblical teachings (Roy Blunt voted against it, as well as the Violence Against Women Act, and is supposedly a religious man, too)?

As hubertfarnsworth writes: "Caring for the least well off amongst us should be done because they're human, not because of its basis in scripture.  Prayer should be kept out of schools because it does precious little to care for the least well off.  If there's a god it takes care of humans most when they take care of themselves and each other."  He is so right.  Jesus preached basic human dignity, and the rich man who followed him gave his possessions to the poor.  The righteous in the Senate and Legislature should read their Bibles and take the teachings of Jesus to heart if they are truly religious men and women.

garry.lafferty
garry.lafferty

This Republicans a idiot and its not true most of what he says.Missouri is going to hail with talk about that good Catholic.How discusting.Goverment gives people opertunate not a road bloock thats ignorant ass hail.

Brenda Rouse
Brenda Rouse

Why one or the other it doesn't take money to prayer and religion in school?

Sarah Wess Potter
Sarah Wess Potter

As the Rev. states, any child can pray in school. We need better funded education, health care, and public safety.

Kirin Pax
Kirin Pax

better-funded social programs

hubertfarnsworth
hubertfarnsworth like.author.displayName 1 Like

Funny how they both got it wrong.  Caring for the least well off amongst us should be done because they're human, not because of its basis in scripture.  Prayer should be kept out of schools because it does precious little to care for the least well off.  If there's a god it takes care of humans most when they take care of themselves and each other.

rockymissouri1
rockymissouri1

@hubertfarnsworth Thank you....!! You are so right..... If only we could do this.....!

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