Abortion: Could GOP Bill Prevent Rape Victims From Accessing Emergency Contraception?

rethinkpink1

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" ... specifies that any medical professional or

'health care institution that provides medical services, has the right not to participate in and cannot be required to participate in any phase of patient medical care, treatment, or procedure that violates his or her conscience including his or her religious, moral, or ethical principles that are adherent to a sincere and meaningful belief in God or in relation to a supreme being."

What the HELL kind of language is this for a secular government?

JamesMadison topcommenter

Complete misleading headline to whip radicals into a frenzy - much ado about nothing. The morning after pill is widely available. If your corner drug store does not carry it, the next one will. If not them, Planned Parenthood will. Or the ER. If there is not one nurse or druggist in your area that is willing to provide the pill, maybe you should reconsider your living arrangements.

You cannot force people to do something against their conscience. That defies all sense of freedom and liberty. Your rights end where my begin. You cannot force your corner drug store to stock your favorite candy, nor whatever prescription drug you desire. They solely determine their stock. If the night druggist will not fill your order, the drug store down the street or the morning druggist will.

rethinkpink1

@JamesMadison- Did you not read the exact wording in that excerpt?

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specifies that any medical professional or health care institution that provides medical services, has the right not to participate in and cannot be required to participate in any phase of patient medical care, treatment, or procedure that violates his or her conscience including his or her religious, moral, or ethical principles that are adherent to a sincere and meaningful belief in God or in relation to a supreme being."

JamesMadison topcommenter

@rethinkpink1, yes, it is called religious freedom. That you wish to remove the words God or Supreme Being from the English language does not make it happen. Separation of Church and State does not require the government to be atheists. If for their religious convictions someone does not want to participate in an action, they cannot be forced to do so. The military drafts have always allowed Conscientious Objectors based on their religious beliefs. We must not force people to do what they believe is wrong. That is forcing them to choose between Church and State.

JamesMadison topcommenter

@rethinkpink1, licensed, not chained and enslaved by the State. Every citizen enjoys the same religious liberties regardless of their profession. "Congress shall make no law..." Being licensed as a medical service provider does not strip away basic human rights from a person. They are not your slaves.

rethinkpink1

@JamesMadison @rethinkpink1 - No, but it does require some proof that their alleged "god" actually has such a policy. In any case, these are service providers licensed by the government. They don't enjoy the same levels of religious liberty you and I have.

James Madison

I love how the radicals hyperventilate over allowing people to follow their conscience. THINK! You cannot make the corner drug store stock your favorite candy or your prescription drug. You walk down the street to the drug store that does. Allow the store owner to decide who he hires and fires. If someone refuses to do the job they were hired to do due to their beliefs, let that employee walk down the street to find another job. NO GOVERNMENT is required for any of this nonsense. The proposed bill is simply not forcing someone to do something against their beliefs. No one is denying anyone the morning after pill. They are widely available, and likely can have an emergency prescription FedEx to you the same day if required. Or just call Planned Parenthood - they are in the baby killing business. Now breath deeply into a brown paper bag until your blood pressure returns to normal.

geboraco

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Why is it that LAWMAKERS don't understand how making/drafting laws cannot be a vague explanation on how they think things should work. Absolutely everything must be clear. When he says "in an emergency situation, these rules don't apply." Well, what makes an emergency situation? For some, the chance of becoming pregnant following a rape would be a BFD of an emergency. Other lawmakers have said that pregnancy from rape "is just another method of conception." I would argue that they wouldn't think that would be an "emergency." Good grief. How about thinking about what type of job you are getting into before you go to school for it? If you don't want to give emergency contraception, become a different kind of doctor. A proctologist, perhaps, and then you can learn to get your own head out of your ass.

JamesMadison topcommenter

@geboraco , some doctors refuse to perform circumcisions. Would you pull their medical license for not wishing to do that procedure? Some doctors prefer medicine to treat some ailments, while other prefer surgery. Would you have some government bureaucrat decide what is the "proper" treatment? Many of the doctors got their degrees long before the morning-after pill was in use. Yet, you condemn them for entering and devoting their lives in service to others for something they had no knowledge of when making that decision.

rethinkpink1

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@JamesMadison @geboraco - It's not the same thing. Circumcisions are elective surgeries which can be scheduled in advance. Emergency contraception is just that: an emergency.

rethinkpink1

Oh HELL yes. The only moral abortion is their abortion. Or Plan B .. or whatever. The hypocrisy is strong here.

ThatsMyTattooo topcommenter

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@rethinkpink1 @JamesMadison He likely thinks that a woman's body "has ways of taking care of things like that", lol. Yeah buddy, there are. It's called VOTING. Uh-oh, he's probably scared that women are "trying to take over" too..... Rape is NOT an emergency? Really? Thanks for the clarification, James. What planet is he from? This doesn't sound like anything a real human being would actually say. As the other poster stated, if it was HIS daughter/mother/wife, you bet your arse it would be an "emergency". Selfish people, who cannot see the big picture will never, ever "get it" no many how many forums we try to discuss....

rethinkpink1

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@JamesMadison @rethinkpink1 - I usually refuse to discuss these things with men, and this is why. Yes, emergency. I understand you've never been raped and possibly stunned or scared and someone has to talk you into just standing up or eating or going to the police, or even thinking of emergency contraception. If you can't understand the dynamics of sexual assault, there's no reason you would have any compassion, or even critical thinking. Maybe by the time she decides to get PlanB, it's pushing up against the 72-hour limit. Maybe she lives in one of the many regions where the only hospital is Catholic. Maybe she's in a remote area and it's Sunday and the only pharmacist open says no, sorry, that's against my morals.

Maybe you should be in a car accident in an area where the only medical providers are Jehovah's Witnesses. So sorry about that blood transfusion. At least their religious beliefs were intact.

JamesMadison topcommenter

@rethinkpink1, Emergency? It is not a dire situation. If the ER is full, is the rape victim going to die waiting another hour? I can feel for her situation, but let's not make two victims from the rape. It is as simple as calling local drug stores to find one stocking the medication you require. It happens every day for other drugs, too.

Not every doctor will treat a broken bone. Some are general practitioners, some are not. they all known how to do it, but you walk into a brain surgeon's office asking to have your broken arm set, they will send you down the street to the ER or to another doctor. They simply have elected not to deal with that sort of medicine. Same should be true for nurses and pharmacists, too.

Stop trying to compel others to do what you want. Persuade, sure, fine, but to bring the strong arm of the government upon them is inhumane. It goes against every aspect of basic human rights.

ThatsMyTattooo topcommenter

@rethinkpink1 @JamesMadison @geboraco I really like Stacey Newman's paradox of a bill requiring "govt involvement" in vasectomies. Full circle! Don't tell us what we can do or not do with our own uterus', and we won't tell you what you can or can not do with your own testicles (pending you have them)! Fair enough!!!

ThatsMyTattooo topcommenter

@geboraco Exactly! These professions are supposed to be clinical without emotional or religious bias. If you can't think with your left and right brain at the same time, do not enter the field of medicine or science. No brainer! Next, it won't be just Sudafed or birth control, it'll be "I don't feel right selling you this Tylenol, I'm morally conflicted. You may be a bad person and deserve that headache buddy!".

JamesMadison topcommenter

@nmoungo , Christians deserve medical treatment, too. As do Jews and Muslims, and Buddhists. If you eliminate all religious people from the medical profession, you will not have enough doctors and nurse and pharmacists to serve. You may have divided your brain (lobotomy) or as you called yourself "no-brainer" in reaching your decision, but most of us use all of our brains. A Christian does not cease to be a Christian when entering a hospital or medical center. It is who they are. You do not like your doctor, find another one. Simple. Stop trying to force others to do what you want. Find someone who wants to do it. They did not attend years of studies and go deeply into debt for you to order them around based on your convictions. Respect theirs.

JamesMadison topcommenter

@nmoungo, fortunately, you do not dictate what professions others can enter. Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists do not cease to be who they are when they leave home and enter the work place. Those devout remain true to their beliefs all day long, not just on Sunday mornings.And like cookies at the grocery store, drug stores stock whatever they deem necessary. If one drug store does not have your medicine, you must drive down the street to another store. You would have a nunnery drug cabinet stock birth control and abortion pills. You are attempting to place your beliefs above someone else's beliefs. Honor thy mother and father. Respect the beliefs of others as well. Stop attempting to force people to act against their own beliefs. You can shop at another drug store.

ThatsMyTattooo topcommenter

@JamesMadison As stated, if you cannot "morally" dispense as directed, nor treat as indicated, you are not QUALIFIED to be in this profession. It's as simple as that. You ARE allowed to THINK what you like, sure, but being in a profession that revolves around science, technology, and the CARE of HUMAN BEINGS dictates you keep your religious creed and dogma to yourself, like it or not. Comparing this to getting your favorite brand of COOKIE from Schnucks as opposed to another store that doesn't carry them? Most ridiculous reach for comp purposes I've heard in quite some time... I feel like calling my parents up right now and thanking them for raising us kids with such human compassion and a deep understanding of science & the world around us. Sheesh.

JamesMadison topcommenter

@nmoungo , you did not want a Christian doctor who held their beliefs, and some Christians will only seek treatment from fellow Christians (substitute Muslim, Jewish, or Buddhist for Christian, and the statement still is true for some people). So for you to say that these devoutly religious people ought not enter the medical professions, you are in fact telling other devoutly religious people they cannot have medical treatment from those they share beliefs.

Not every pharmacist carries every drug. Years ago, I've had to call around to find a drug store to fill a prescription. If Schnucks does not carry my favorite brand of cookies, I do not try to change the law into forcing them to do so. I simply go down the road to Dierbergs. It is just like one drug store or doctor's office not accepting certain insurance coverage for paying the bills. Stop trying to get people to do things just because you think they should. It is called freedom. Respect others right to their freedom.

JamesMadison topcommenter

@rethinkpink1, I'm for everyone's religious freedoms. You cannot compel others to act. That is wrong and selfish. Your liberties end where mine begin, and mine end where yours begin. I cannot force you to do anything, nor should you try to have the government force others to do your beckon and call.

ThatsMyTattooo topcommenter

@JamesMadison @nmoungo Hah! Typical reply.

Whoever said anything about denying specifically Christians treatment? In fact, I think I was pretty clear that NO ONE should be denied ANY treatment or pharmaceutical for which they've been prescribed. Entering the field of medicine nearly requires a HUMANIST perspective. They are not there to judge, but to treat, period. If you're a pharmacist and don't "feel right" giving the Rx a MEDICAL PROFF prescribed, you've picked a profession that is directly in conflict with your supposed "moral compass", and therefore are not qualified for the job. "Supposed" being the key word here, in case you misinterpret again.