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DOMA Ruling: St. Louis Archdiocese Says God's Definition Of Marriage Can't Be Changed

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It doesn't matter what the United States Supreme Court has to say about marriage, God still thinks it should only be between a man and a woman!

So says the Archdiocese of St. Louis, which was very quick to jump on today's landmark decision that the Defense of Marriage Act -- the law denying federal benefits to same-sex couples -- is unconstitutional.

"The Supreme Court's decision to strike down the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)...does not change the reality of marriage, nor does it change the Archdiocese of St. Louis's responsibility to defend marriage as being between one man and one woman," the archdiocese says in a statement. "It is important to note that marriage predates both the U.S. government and Western civilization."

More local reactions below!

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After news broke this morning, Daily RFT's inbox was filled with press releases and statements from local St. Louis and Missouri groups and officials reacting to the decision.

The archdiocese's standout (and very unsurprising) criticism is headlined "The reality of God's definition of marriage cannot be changed."

But don't worry, nothing wrong with being attracted to the same sex! So says the archdiocese in its statement today:

The Catholic Church does not condemn individuals for having same-sex attraction. She teaches that all people are called to responsibility regarding sexuality. The sexual union of a man and woman, when not obstructed by contraceptives, is the kind that is open to life even if new life is not the result.

We understand that married persons imitate the way Christ offers His body completely and permanently to the Church so that we might have life, and have it abundantly. This truth is written into our bodies as well as on the pages of the Old and New Testaments. While the law can allow other things to be called marriage, it cannot make them into the kind of union that is marriage.

You can read the whole statement here if you are so inclined. (Here's another condemning statement from Missouri Congresswoman Vicky Hartzler, if you're looking for that sort of thing).

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PROMO, Missouri's statewide LGBT advocacy group, sent out a statement praising the decision and noting that there's still a long way to go in Missouri where voters banned gay marriage back in 2004:

A historic moment for the United States of America, today's ruling means married gay and lesbian couples are recognized federally and couples may once again marry in California again. Some federal benefits that will affect these couples include military family benefits, social security benefits, multiple tax categories, hospital visitation rights, and healthcare benefits.

With Section 3 being struck down, those that are married in states in which same-sex marriage is legal, will have full access to federal benefits now. However, in Missouri, those couples that have been married in states in which it is legal, access to these benefits will be complex.

A.J. Bockelman, executive director of PROMO, adds in a statement, "Understanding the impact on Missouri will take a bit of time, but rest assured, we will continue to fight for justice on behalf of the community in everything from basic protections to marriage rights."

The American Civil Liberties Union of Eastern Missouri says that the decision at the very least would pressure the Missouri Supreme Court to vote in favor of same-sex benefits (referencing the ongoing fight of Kelly Glossip whose partner was a state trooper that died on the job).

"Today's U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down DOMA highlights the unfairness of Missouri laws that mandate unequal treatment of same-sex couples and their families," Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU-EM, says in a statement. "It increases our optimism that the Missouri Supreme Court will honor the commitment between Kelly Glossip and Dennis Engelhard and Corporal Engelhard's service to the people of this state for whom he gave his life."

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Civil Courts building in St. Louis.

And here's a message Mayor Francis Slay posted on Facebook today, saying that the Pride festivities this weekend are likely to be extra festive:

The Civil Courts building was wearing a rainbow of lights last night. A rainbow banner hangs beneath the City flag on the lawn outside my window. Crews are beginning to shape the route for a downtown parade and celebration. All, proudly.

This is the background against which I learned this morning of the United States Supreme Court's decisions striking down some of the barriers against full civil rights for gay and lesbian Americans.

In 2009, I was one of the mayors who voted to commit the US Conference of Mayors to supporting marriage equality for same-sex couples so that such unions would have the same rights - family leave, retirement benefits, tax equity, and constitutional protection against discrimination - as heterosexual couples. Last year, I joined the mayors of nearly 100 US cities in a proactive campaign in support of the freedom of gay and lesbian couples to marry and to enjoy the full rights of married couples.

I said then, and I repeat it now: this is not only a matter of fairness (though it is certainly that). Cities are strengthened by their families. I want St. Louis to be the sort of diverse and open place in which all families, gay and straight, choose to live, create, and build businesses.

As residents of Missouri, we have some work to do. KC's Mayor Sly James is already an ally.

There will quite a party in St. Louis this weekend. We will be celebrating with PRIDE.

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Bethany Hope Bollinger
Bethany Hope Bollinger

Their is only one Bible Gods word is the Truth! He is The Way The Truth and the Life!

Sylvia S. Fanelli
Sylvia S. Fanelli

Why??? So your saying that it's acceptable for you to have your marriage labeled properly but want to deny that same rights to Lgbt people?

Chris Bergh
Chris Bergh

There are PLENTY of other ways. Sorry Bethany, but MARRIAGE CAME BEFORE THE BIBLE!

bruste1138
bruste1138

When people are talking about a their god’s definition of marriage, it is irrelevant to the rest of us who don’t believe in their god.If that’s what you believe, you can apply that to yourself, but you can’t impose those religious opinions on everyone else & deny them their equal rights.When my wife & I got married, it was at the courthouse; it is a legal contract, no religion is involved.This is a democracy, not a theocracy, so any religious “justifications” are Not Applicable.And why should gay marriage be called something else?Why should society continue to discriminate?Ultimately, people opposed to this will be on the wrong side of history, just as people against women’s rights & integration were on the wrong side.

Bethany Hope Bollinger
Bethany Hope Bollinger

Yes I went to school. But God comes Frist and he is the truth and the only way. And it does talk about marriage between one man and one women in the Bible. And it is only one man and one women. That's it. No other way.

Sharon Walker
Sharon Walker

I wish they would call it civil union or something like that.

johnhartfield
johnhartfield

How did christians come to think they determine what marriage is when marriage predated christianity by thousands of years? 

I can understand if church doesn't want to do same sex marriage but church needs to stay out of politics.

Instead catholics should focus on something useful to society, something they can control.. like keeping their priests from raping little boys.

Brian Sanders Johnson
Brian Sanders Johnson

Yes, because it will be mandated by the federal government as discrimination when someone is transferred here who is married in another state and doesn't receive benefits anymore. It will take a case and a couple more years but it will happen everywhere.

Robin Chamberland
Robin Chamberland

And actually the bible doesn't determine our laws. Did you go to school Bethany?

Chad Welch
Chad Welch

Actually marriage in the Bible is between one man and one or more women, and his concubines, and his slaves.

Sk932012
Sk932012

Marriage From (Genesis 2:24) we may evolve the following principles: (1) The unity of man and wife, as implied in her being formed out of man. Genesis was written around 1450-1410BC

The US government no longer wants to relate god and government so when the government wants to pass a law who are we to change gods law? We are a mere 237 years old who are we to change a law written 3226 years before our country's existence?

God is not the enemy. Neither is the Catholic Church. It is just based in tradition. Started thousands of years ago. It may change but not over night. Pushing agendas only furthers the point from the truth. Lets all be gods people of acceptance and understanding and stop persecuting but understand the limits of tradition and structure. God doesn't hate for sexual preference, race, other religions etc he merely challenges us to be the best that we can be and to treat others with respect and understanding.

Sk932012
Sk932012

Marriage From (Genesis 2:24) we may evolve the following principles: (1) The unity of man and wife, as implied in her being formed out of man. Genesis was written around 1450-1410BCThe US government no longer wants to relate god and government so when the government wants to pass a law who are we to change gods law? We are a mere 237 years old who are we to change a law written 3226 years before our country's existence?

God is not the enemy. Neither is the Catholic Church. It is just based in tradition. Started thousands of years ago. It may change but not over night. Pushing agendas only furthers the point from the truth. Lets all be gods people of acceptance and support and stop persecuting but understand the limits of tradition and structure.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Religion = Superstitious Nonsense for Ignorant Imbeciles

JamesMadison
JamesMadison topcommenter

It is important to note that the US Supreme Court did not say homosexual marriage was constitutional. What they said was that the Federal Government should not define a marriage - that is up to the respective States. furthermore, it said in the Californian Prop 8 decision, no one in the suit had standing to defend Prop 8; therefore, refer it back to the State.

For all those who cheer this news, consider Roe v Wade. The US Supreme Court has laid the foundation to declare that the States' rights will trump the Federal government in certain cases. If marriage is one, why not abortion? why not healthcare? why not a whole list of other matters that the US Constitution does not specifically authorize for the Federal government?

The very sad news is the same old troubling one - bad cases make for bad precedents. The US Supreme court left standing the will of the people of Californians to decide their own State Constitution. A few select individuals will determine the words to their Constitution - not simply interpreting the democratic process of establishing the words. Furthermore, the US Supreme Court has decided that one governor has ultimate veto power, even if overridden in the Legislature, simply by deciding to not defend the law in Court.

Our system of jurisprudence was on trial, and it lost. Advocates for both sides were not heard and judgement rendered. One side was made silent by claiming they did not have standing - after devoting much energy into getting the amendment passed as Prop 8.

 Think of what you will on the fairness or wisdom to the amendment, but remember this judgement will be precedent for many future decisions, including ones you may scream about when it is applied to a case not of your liking.

We continue the journey away from being a government of the People and by the People.

Bethany Hope Bollinger
Bethany Hope Bollinger

Gods word is always true no matter what. It's a fact. I am taking the passage to heart. I am stating the truth and glad that Missouri has marriage to just be one man and one woman only. That is the truth and that's that it won't change.

redhawk239
redhawk239

"It is important to note that marriage predates both the U.S. government and Western civilization"  This is true, it also pre-dates Christianity, and in the millenia that marriage has existed, it has taken on a wide variety of forms and purposes and the number of cultures in which it has been defined as being a union between "one man and one woman" are in the minority.

danknoll15
danknoll15

there was just a local St. Louisian, newly-openly gay priest, whose name I guess I won't share, who had written a widely read and known book on what is is like to be a closeted Catholic Priest...shocking, huh?

Rachel Roach
Rachel Roach

Ya, cause men and women are sooooo happy together and perfect....right, shut the fuck up.

Shane Taitt
Shane Taitt

Bethany, the bible also says "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man." (1 Tim. 2:12-14). Since you enjoy the literal word of the bible so much, why don't you take this passage to heart? Or are you just cherry picking?

Mary Stewart
Mary Stewart

Then you live your life by your God's definition of marriage. But just because you feel that way, doesn't mean that everyone must abide by your religious beliefs. In our Constitution we have protection from your demands that we must be forced to accept your God's laws. It's called separation of church and state.

Chris Bergh
Chris Bergh

...and you also basically implied it bothers you to see gay people be themselves in public and in the media where you have to witness it. That is a bigoted, intolerant attitude that makes clear you have some serious issues with fear of homosexuals. If seeing some effeminate guy in drag gets on your nerves, get over yourself. The rest of us have every right to be who we are, and we don't need your approval. It's just too bad YOU have the self centeredness to tell us how tired you are of OUR struggle, and our celebrations of pride. You are a bigot, and I suggest you do something about it, it's not a healthy way to live.

Boston Hicks
Boston Hicks

I want to go fly a Boston Red Sox flag out side the courthouse. Why? Because i support the Red Sox!

Bethany Hope Bollinger
Bethany Hope Bollinger

It is not full of fables of incest and beaslity. It is the truth and I do use my own common sense.

Bethany Hope Bollinger
Bethany Hope Bollinger

It can't change because the bible says Marriage should be between one man and one women only. That's why it can't change.

Ray Thomas
Ray Thomas

your big book of fables is full of incest and beastality Bethany,,read and use your own common sense

danknoll15
danknoll15

...well, I guess that settles it!!! God has spoken...last I heard from the Christian Church I belong too, Catholics neither own the definition, the institution or-- gosh here's a leap of faith--also likely don't have the only voice-box able to speak for God.... (as a 'former Cathilic here, I can attest) they need to clean their own dirty house before throwing stones at others..p.s a little well-known dirty secret the Church doesn't want out- probably half the priest are gay or bi themselves, in orientation...Navaho / Dine' proverb: "What we hate in others, we hate most in ourselves."

JamesMadison
JamesMadison topcommenter

Common sense is not so common.


The Clintons rejoice the bill they signed into law was ruled unconstitutional. Why did he sign it knowing it was wrong?

The Supreme Court ruled no one had standing to defend Prop 8 since those who are responsible for defending the law decided not to defend it. California Supreme Court ruled that voters amending the Stat Constitution passed an unconstitutional amendment (note: all amendments are unconstitutional until enacted - that is why they are amendments). 

So we have elected officials signing into law laws they know are unconstitutional, and other elected officials refusing to defend laws that amend their constitution thus allowing courts to hand pick amendments they wish to apply.

Does anyone see that the rule of law is now completely gone? The rule of men is totally in affect. Be very careful. The next election could easily have opposing views elected into those offices. what will happen then? When a nation rejects the rule of law, they make things quite unstable for generations. 

These matters should have waited for elected officials to enact proper laws, not hand picking cases to defend/not defend to force an outcome.

Mary Stewart
Mary Stewart

Jon, I think that was the same thing that African American's heard in the 1960's when they were fighting for the right to vote, go to school and eat at the same restaurants that everyone else could. These are civil rights. No one is taking anything away from you, they just expect the same rights that you enjoy.

Jon Meyer
Jon Meyer

Did everyone not read that i said it was cool if you are? I just don't need to see something about it everyday of my life. Live your life the way you want.

Sylvia S. Fanelli
Sylvia S. Fanelli

Jon i'm a Transgender WOMAN, wether you want to see it or not, we are here and we do exist therefore deal with us. good graciousness knows we have had to deal with intolerance and bigotry for many many years now!!! There is more than enough scientific evidence to prove our side and what have we ever done to you? Nothing! We are not asking the straight community to cater to us but dammit we do ask for equal rights and protections under the same law that you follow.

Sylvia S. Fanelli
Sylvia S. Fanelli

Come on that is St Louis we are talking about. One of my best friends lives there and gosh forbid that person is ever hurt than this Iowan is going there to kick ass and take names later. My other friend from eagleville moved out of there because she is pro Lgbt and couldn't stand the bigotry and hatred towards Lgbt individuals there...

Moon Moon
Moon Moon

Jon Meyer. I'm really tired of all this apathetic selfish close minded crap going on everywhere

Dennis Fleming
Dennis Fleming

Missouri will definitely allow gay marriage. We're behind on everything. It'll happen, eventually. This is a schizophrenic state, but it usually lands on the correct side of history.

Bethany Hope Bollinger
Bethany Hope Bollinger

God definition of marriage can't change they are right. It should be between 1 man and 1 women!

JamesMadison
JamesMadison topcommenter

@Sharon Walker , that would make things too easy. Everyone could agree to something like that.

JamesMadison
JamesMadison topcommenter

@johnhartfield , prior to Christianity, gays were simply put to death - therefore no need to define a civil union of same sex partners. So, let's take the church and all those "moral" attitudes like "Thou shall not murder" and other religious crap out of the government codes.

johnhartfield
johnhartfield

@Robin Chamberland Well bible shouldn't determine our laws but it does in far too many corners of our country.

JamesMadison
JamesMadison topcommenter

@johnhartfield , we are starting to repeal those silly murder laws since it is Biblical, "Thou shall not murder."

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