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St. Louis Alderwoman Wants To Ban Sagging, End Unsightly Exposure Of "Undergarments"

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St. Louis alderwoman Marlene Davis today introduced a proposal to ban sagging pants in the city as part of an ordinance that could carry fines up to $500 and up to 90 days in jail.

The language of the bill says that banned lewd behavior includes "any person to appear in a public place wearing pants below the waist which exposes the skin or undergarments which is likely to cause affront or alarm."

The proposal, on view below, also outlines in graphic and specific detail exactly what kinds of exposures and "representations" of sexual acts in public, should be illegal in the city.

Daily RFT left a message today with Davis, and we'll update if we hear back.

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- Bill To Outlaw Nudity in Missouri Strip Clubs Passes Senate

Already, there are some detractors on the board of aldermen who say that criminalizing young black men for sagging would not be a productive effort for the city and could be a waste of police resources.

Alderman Antonio French tweeted:

This is not the first time local lawmakers have gone after sagging. The council in Collinsville, Illinois, passed an anti-sagging measure in 2011, which the mayor later said was a "step backward." (One woman came up with a different, creative solution to the sagging problem.) And in a similar vein, Missouri state lawmakers pushed a bill to ban nudity at strip clubs in 2010.

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High school sagging!

The ordinance in question in St. Louis this week also says that indecent or lewd behavior includes: "The exposure of one's genitals, buttocks, vulva, pubic hair, pubic area or the female breast below a point immediately above the top of the areola, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification or which is likely to cause affront or alarm; provided, however, that any exposure of the female breast necessarily incident to breast-feeding an infant shall not be deemed to be a violation of this chapter..."

Further, lewd behavior also includes "the touching, caressing or fondling of the breasts, buttocks or genitals, whether, clothed or unclothed for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification or which is likely to cause affront or alarm..."

As well as "acts or representations of acts of human masturbation, sexual intercourse or
sodomy, bestiality, cunnilingus, fellatio, flagellation or torture by or upon a person as a act of sexual stimulation or gratification..."

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Urinating and defecating in public is lewd, too, the ordinance says.

Here's the full draft proposal, with the section on sagging bolded:

Board Bill 117

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Ryan Mackley
Ryan Mackley

I want to go up to him and say "Hey man, you like lookin' at other dudes in their underwear? No? Me neither. Pull up your pants."

ShoogaJones
ShoogaJones

I wholeheartedly agree that "sagging" is far from a racial issue. But leave it to a black member to do his best to point that out. Sadly, these misguided kids who have adopted this ridiculous look more than likely have no idea that it began in prisons as a way for an inmate to say "I am down with it", a sexual reference. I have no problem with it if the person who decides this look is for him is 18 years of age or older. I do believe that people younger should not be allowed to do it. But I also believe it is not the responsibility of the Government to dictate this. It is the moral and personal obligation of the PARENTS to monitor their kids. Parents who choose to have children must accept the responsibilities that comes with it. Exercise it.

Chester Angel
Chester Angel

Hahaha! Love it! Like that visors(?) made that list too I agree though, fuck visors! Add Sylvio to that list also. He sounds like a fat, smoking, visor wearing religious zealot who drive 45 in the fast lane... LOL!

Bob Cento
Bob Cento

People will just sue to keep their "rights" to look nasty.

Patricia Munoz
Patricia Munoz

Well , it looks bad . I see many young people wearing their pants that way . Many of whom are not yet adults . PARENTS need to show their children what is respectable with the hope that they will leave the jail house look for inmates in jail .

Bob Rob Glidewell
Bob Rob Glidewell

Many laws are not enforced. Change comes from heart. Dear God do your holy work in the hearts of the lost.

renaisanc9
renaisanc9

If Alderwoman Davis has NOTHING BETTER to do than this bit of INSANITY, one thing is for certain:  Alderwoman Davis needs to start actually WORKING.  She's got way too much fucking free time! [... while I don't find this style overtly attractive, that is not the point.  This woman's trying to enact laws that would imprison people, for a serious amount of time yet, based on her insanity.]

Fakerton McFake
Fakerton McFake

I don't think letting you ass hang out of your pants qualifies as "style". It might not quite qualify for indecent exposure, but something along those lines should be put in place.

Bryan Berger
Bryan Berger

Says the gentleman with a women half his age with her pants pulled down with a weed leaf tatted on her ass as his cover photo. Fuck outta here.

Cindy Kay Brown
Cindy Kay Brown

How can this be comfortable? I just don't understand it.

Sylvio Roberts
Sylvio Roberts

god bless his ass, as long as its not bare its legal folks

Al Vega
Al Vega

I hope so too! nobody wants to see their dirty panties!

Karyn Hernandez
Karyn Hernandez

although it has been the worst style ever cause I still love the eighties I'm sure the grown folks called us crazy back then anyways is very very ugly and stupid way to dress yet this is the land of freedom so a law against how to dress in the USA is ironic ....

Joshua Lewis
Joshua Lewis

I bet there's better shit to do with their time and our money. This isn't the worst thing out there.

Brian Cunningham
Brian Cunningham

I think this is so stupid looking when I see someone wearing their pants like this. Start giving out tickets and see how fast the pants go back up right. Pass some kind of law or they need to get it passed.If they do pass some type of law for this the money could go for thing`s that are really needed.

Augustine Carrasco
Augustine Carrasco

It's a Shame! He's surrounded by lot's of construction work as noted by the colorful cones and sidewalk barriers! I wonder how he would greet a Shovel, if someone handed him one?

Amy Scheve
Amy Scheve

I'm all for this because if I want to see the moon, I'll look up to the heavens, not your bottom. I don't want to see this, I don't want my daughter to see this. How are you suppose to get a job looking like this. Plus if I were to walk around in my bra, I'd get jail time for my "Indecent Exposure" so how is this any different?

Don Lanier
Don Lanier

Hey guys recently released from Prison cant help themselves they believe there still trollin for a Boyfreind...

Beth Ramage
Beth Ramage

Do they know this originated in prisons as a sign that your backside was available? Look it up...true

Swagged Up Webb
Swagged Up Webb

Yea and were will this be enforced in Saint Charles? Or South County somewere? Cause it surely wont work in the city or rough neirborhoods were nobody respects or care about the law or police

Stacey Shumpert
Stacey Shumpert

It should be indecent exposure and made to be a sex crime like uranating outdoors.

Denise Acsay
Denise Acsay

Is this still happening? Let's be compassionate...

renaisanc9
renaisanc9

@Cindy Kay Brown It's NOT comfortable at all; the poor kids are constantly pulling the pants up.  The ridiculous thing is that pants CAN BE MADE to look that way - the low crotch is what's desirable - but idiot designers haven't got a clue.

Around 180-82 this style - the low crotch, kind of like a "dolman" sleeve but for the legs -  was the height of fashion (I LOVED it) but we didn't need to pull our pants off to get the effect.

On the other hand, in the late 80s-early 90s WOMEN's style was to let a part of their underwear show.

renaisanc9
renaisanc9

@Karyn Hernandez INDEED, Karyn.  We are not in Putin's USSR (what he's keeping it) wherein 3 punk rocker girls have been sentenced to 3 years in prison for "disturbing culture" (or some such, plus disorderly conduct, etc.) for going into a church and singing a protest song in "improper (punk) clothing."  

Thank God, this is the U.S.A. !!!

renaisanc9
renaisanc9

@Jane Blotevogel  They're not shorts.  They're long pants which SHOULD have a low crotch and lots of folds at the calf and ankle area.  We wore it in Paris... we wore it in NYC in the early 1980.  No designer has picked up on the attempted resurgence of this style... so the kids have no choice but to create the look this way (no matter how lousy it looks.)

burnedom
burnedom

@Brian Cunningham I see you here, but where does it end. If the Govt. has control of attire then what is next? Bikinis, noodle strings T's, crop tops? What gives anyone the right to tell you, me or anyone else what to wear? It is the job of the parents to imprint morals in their children, not the Govt. This being said, Parents: Tell your children to pull their pants up!

http://intelligenthiphop.blogspot.com/

burnedom
burnedom

@Amy Scheve I see where you are going and in some ways agree, I would say that this is more like walking around in a bra with a mesh shirt over it and that would not get you a ticket. There are actually many more towns looking into this law and most of them are ironically beach towns! No word on what they are doing about bikinis!-sarcasm

check out http://intelligenthiphop.blogspot.com/

burnedom
burnedom

@Don Lanier lmbo! very funny, but the reality is it has become a form of rebellion. They do not wish to conform into modern societal norms...neither did those who wore bikinis, those who were openly gay, and many others who have been embraced for their expression. I honestly don't like to see either of the groups I mentioned...but it is not my nor anyone else's place to prohibit their expression.

http://intelligenthiphop.blogspot.com/

burnedom
burnedom

@Beth Ramage many things originated in one avenue then evolved into something entirely different. this is the case here. it is a rebellion to societal norms now, not a homo flag.

http://intelligenthiphop.blogspot.com/


burnedom
burnedom

@Stephanie Richardson  LMBO why not while we are at destroying freedom of expression! no one likes to see that either...I'll do you one better, why don't we just ban fat people! no one really enjoys them anyway right!? -sarcasm

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