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Missouri Sex Offenders: "Women Against Registry" Says Labels Unfairly Destroy Lives

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Man accused of killing a registered sex offender, targeting others on list.
Next week, in addition to an intense showdown on controversial gun legislation, Missouri lawmakers will have an opportunity to enact a bill that would remove hundreds of sex offenders from the state's online registry. In order to implement this proposal, lawmakers must override Governor Jay Nixon's veto and go against the recommendations of St. Louis law-enforcement officials, victims' rights advocates and other stakeholders.

Supporters of the bill -- which would allow some in the state to lose the permanent sex-offender label -- are now organizing in favor of the proposal, arguing that the registry is way too broad and unfairly ruins lives of those on it.

Women Against Registry, an advocacy group run by a Missouri woman, makes the case that public sex-offender registries are fundamentally flawed and should not exist at all.

See also: St. Louis Police Don't Want Hundreds Taken Off Sex Offender Registry

House Bill 301, the group says, would be a step in the right direction.

"Once a person has been adjudicated and they have paid their debt to society and are living a law-abiding life, they should not be on public display or what we call a 'hit list,'" Vicki Henry, director of the group, tells Daily RFT. "It's even worse for juveniles to be on the list."

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"Are you the same person you were when you were sixteen or fourteen?" she continues. "Nobody is."

Henry is a retired woman who lives in Festus and has been an advocate against public sex-offender registries for several years, she says. She explains that she has a family member who has been impacted by the registry.

As we've reported, the bill in question would allow individuals who committed sex offenses as juveniles to have their names taken off of the state and county notification sites -- and would also prevent any individual in that category from being placed on the registries going forward. A central argument of Nixon -- full veto message here -- is that the law does not draw a distinction based on the severity of the crime, such that a teenager guilty of a violent rape could have his name cleared.

The governor estimates that about 870 people would be immediately removed from the registry under the legislation.

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Police Chief Sam Dotson with Governor Jay Nixon, St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch and others discussing their opposition to the legislation last month.

The official stance of Women Against Registry is that offenders deserve second chances and that registries designed to monitor individuals should exist only for law enforcement agencies and not the general public.

Registrants become targets, Henry argues. "Some people have had their houses set on fire. They've had their vehicles damaged. They've had their properties damaged."

She has sent Daily RFT four news stories from across the country to bolster her case: A sex offender beaten to death in Baltimore reportedly by attackers angry about his alleged offense; a South Carolina homicide suspect who was allegedly targeting multiple sex offenders; a Washington State man who, cops say, "had planned to keep killing sex offenders until police stopped him"; and a ten-year-old girl accused of raping a four-year-old boy in a game of doctor (who could possibly be placed on an offender list).

"Everybody assumes that someone on the registry is a rapist," Henry says, noting that there are all sorts of more minor offenses that can land suspects on the list.

She also says registries give communities a "false sense of security."

"They are telling you that these are the ones you need to be afraid of," she says, arguing that a majority of sexual abuse comes from within the family or from someone known to the victim's family and that recidivism rates are generally low. "We need to back up and teach parents about safety and prevention."

Victims' rights groups, of course, have a very different take. The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), a St. Louis-based advocacy group opposing the legislation, said in its statement last month, "Taking offenders' names off the registry could easily lead to more assaults against children."

The bill could potentially have an override vote on September 11 next week.

Here's the full legislation in question and Nixon's veto message, which outlines his opposition in detail.

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val03
val03

Sex offenders are the only classification of Criminal who GET more dangerous the further out from their original conviction.

  • Claims that sex offenders have a low recidivism rate - Since most sex offenses aren't even reported, no study can accurately measure the rate of recidivism, and there is no acceptable rate of recidivism in the eyes of the public. Furthermore, there is no way to determine how many children were protected from a sex offender who wants to re-offend. Any claims of statistics are simply a smoke screen to try to get the public to believe that sex offenders are not a danger to children.
  • sex offender advocates( many posting here) claim that sex offenders have low recidivism rates, however since more than 80% of sex crimes go unreported, this artificially lowers the recidivism rate. Further, the report they rely on to falsely claim a low rate, if thoroughly read, would reveal that over 25% of the sex offenders followed in that report were ALREADY repeat sex offenders, negating the resulting 5% claim. The bottom line is that statistics do not prevent sex crimes, nor are they reasons for abolishing the sex offender registry or laws that punish people for sexually offending other people, children or adults.

qualaquan
qualaquan

The severity of the crime should carry much less weight than the length of time a person has been out on the streets crime-free.  A person can change their behavior and remain crime-free for years, but NO ONE CAN CHANGE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE DISTANT PAST!  To keep a person on the registry AFTER they have established that they are no longer a THREAT TO SOCIETY, is PUNISHMENT, not COMMUNITY SAFETY.  To use the SEVERITY measurement is to ADMIT it is PUNISHMENT!  What else could it be?  And if it's PUNISHMENT, THEN LETS TALK ABOUT THE EX-POST FACTO and DOUBLE JEOPARDY PROTECTIONS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.  The ONLY REASON they are allowed to REGISTER offenders at all is because the Supreme Court said that IT ISN'T PUNISHMENT!  You CANNOT have it BOTH WAYS!

Susan Doane
Susan Doane

Really??? What about the lives of the many women they destroyed by their sick actions?? If I had my way they would a be castrated AND put on a registry.

Dina Altenbernd
Dina Altenbernd

I have ZERO sympathy for sex offenders....Do The Crime You Do The Time...End Of Story!

David Angle
David Angle

Too bad!!! They chose their destiny!!!

William Manning
William Manning

And don't Get me started on their freedoms a child molester can get food stamps free housing and all that where someone with a drug conviction can't

William Manning
William Manning

I think they have not been abused like the women men and children that have keep up. The registry

Ron Clements
Ron Clements

Probably started by a woman whose boyfriend is on the registry.

Bernice Green
Bernice Green

And we somehow think a convicted sex offender has any rights?

Julia Nelson
Julia Nelson

This is complete bullshit. If you actually look at the registry, you will see that it actually says what crime the persona is convicted of. For example it says: Jonathan Ingram age 35 here is his picture on june 30 2008 he was convicted for sodomy of a 7 year old boy here is what his car looks like here is his license plate # this is his address this is his work address. So no NOPE not at all is this a way to incriminate poor innocent ally pee-ers. This is so I know when the guy who moved in next door to me and my kid is a bona fide pedophile.

Julia Nelson
Julia Nelson

The 8 people who liked this are rapists.

sjjpsjjp
sjjpsjjp

Let me say that injustice is the condition or practice of being unjust or unfair. Even a fool knows when they are being treated unfairly and unjustly.  

The Adam Walsh Act (AWA) should have never been passed by Congress or signed into law by President Bush.  

AWA, Megan's Law, the Wetterling Act, Florida's - Lunsford Act and 42 other states with similar law all go too far, not to mention SORNA, and all the conditions of sex offender registrations restrictions even after time served.

The stigma associated with these laws, for the most part, eliminate the possibility of protecting adults and children from sex offenders and destroys all and any motivation for any similar type of offender rehabilitation.  Furthermore, in many instances, not only are  the offenders punished for a lifetime but their families are punished along with the offenders exceedingly harsh punishment and restrictions.  

Even though our Supreme Court rules that Sex Offender Registration is a civil issue and therefore not a criminal issue which makes all and any further restrictions, after time served, not additional punishment is absurd and far from hypocritical, sanctimoniously deception.  You have to be an idiot to accept the Supreme Court's argument. As for the frosting on this cake; Constitutional Law ie; freedom of speech, freedom of movement and travel, and freedom to choose where to make your home,  freedom from exploited Ex Post Facto law, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment and more are denied the offender and often their families after time served.

It seems to me that rather than increase sex offender penalties , whatever that means or entails, a much needed emphasis requires and demands consideration to sex offender therapy with the offender absorbing the financial burden for treatment which is quite costly but worth every penny.

I know of one state that requires weekly group therapy with a 2 year minimum participation as part of the courts sentencing. The offender is introduced to established sex offender therapy guidelines. The therapist teaches and instructs the offender through group therapy by addressing issues of offending that demands use of a workbook, requiring a serious homework format in written assignments that must be completed and discussed in therapy, as well as, additional book assignments and discussion to further educate the offender.

Should an offender not participate they are considered non compliant and then are returned to prison for violation of parole or probation by not honoring their sentence, imposed by the court, to complete their sentencing or have additional prison time applied to their standing sentence. A continued refusal to participate meaningfully could keep an offender in prison for life.

Most offenders, while addressing issues of their offense spend easily up to 4 plus years in therapy that include intensive polygraphs and so much more keeping everyone legitimate.

It is not widely known that offenders completing therapy are less likely to offend by a considerable percentage margin.

A lifetime of sex offender registration is cruel and unusual punishment.  It not only harms the individual after time served from most any function private or public and passes their lifetime registration Scarlet Letter onto their children's lives-personally, financially and sometimes criminally.  

This is a no win situation for everyone involved except our Governor's ego.


Adam Jenkins
Adam Jenkins

A life for A life that's how I look at it. If they were strung up in the dam tree to start with then we would not need a dam list.

Brian Blood
Brian Blood

Well, I can only speak from my own experience and what I have witnessed. Bottom line is that the definition needs to be re-evaluated. You may be right that last year maybe no one got arrested but ten years ago.....it was all the time. They are on that list from that long ago. I don't even frequent large events like that anymore unless my band is scheduled to play. I'm over it. Its lost its luster for me.

Roger Griggs
Roger Griggs

I'd say that they should have thought about that before they committed those offenses. I think offenders who hurt children shouldn't be allowed to live anywhere near children, well, I think they should be in prison for their natural born lives, and then we wouldn't have to worry about them.

Responsibly Armed
Responsibly Armed

Neighborhoods have the right to know if there are sexual predators near by.

Julie Wilhelm
Julie Wilhelm

and how about the 18 yr olds who have sex with their 17 yr old girlfriend and daddy gets mad and presses charges for Stat rape?

bigdgal
bigdgal

@Susan Doane 

All of us care about women and children victims.

But the subject of discussion is sex offender registry. The registry is worthless.

The people on the list are the least likely to do harm. Each study that comes up is showing how low the risk from them is... you won't see that on the news.

Meanwhile, while you are busy watching them with fear... someone in your own circle of friends and family would most likely be the one who rapes and molests you or you children.

All the while y'all are fearing and persecuting people who you do not know on this poorly thought out list.

bigdgal
bigdgal

@Dina Altenbernd

There is NO end to the punishment.

I'm losing my patience with you people.

Y'all are so self-righteous.

Hey - any of you ever drink alcohol?...Oh, caught drinking alcohol?

We all KNOW that people who drink MIGHT drive, might hurt someone with their alcoholic temper or impaired judgment- first offense -federal penn- 5 years minimum.

So we MUST have...

The Alcohol Drinkers Registry.

After all, too many children are hurt and killed by drunk drivers. I want a sign in your front yard telling me that you are a threat ....I must know where you work and your car description also. My kid must stay away from your alcoholic family. You are disgusting and might be drunk while my kid is there. You might harm my kid in your drunken stupor.

Wait a minute - you should NOT HAVE a car! You MIGHT drive it and kill someone. And I sure don't want someone on the Alcohol Drinkers Registry to be my doctor, lawyer, accountant, mechanic, plumber, hairdresser... you will be drunk and I know you can not be counted on and you are might harm me or my kids.

I have ZERO sympathy for alcohol drinkers....Do The Crime You Do The Time...End Of Story!

Oh ...and those you have...

Guns!... You are all murderers. EVERYONE knows that.

 Same thing. Caught with a gun on you, or in your house? Look at Columbine and that guy in the movie theater. Thank Goodness  we can lock YOU away in the federal penitentiary..

The Gun Owner Registry. Those bunch of murderers..

Good thing there is a sign on your front lawn, so my kid knows not to play with your kids. My kid will be shot if goes to your house!

I have ZERO sympathy  for those gun toting murderers....Do The Crime You Do The Time...End Of Story!...

Oh yes, I must contact my Congressional representatives IMMEDIATELY to start this campaign for our common good. And an organization or two to really get this awareness campaign snowballing...

and the TV stations. We must get footage of the carnage happening around us from these alcohol drinkers and evil gun owners!

cherokeetweetie
cherokeetweetie

@Dina Altenbernd Teens and children are the fastest growing group being required to register, due to things like "sexting", yes sending naughty pictures on their phones can get them arrested and charged with possession of  CP and if they take a picture of themselves and send it, it is distribution of CP. You still want go there with the "do the crime do the time" thing? Oh well perhaps you don't have any children and if you do they listen to everything you say and do everything you say like perfect little robots. Unfortunately most other teens and children are normal and do stupid things. I hope for your children's sake, that your zero tolerance policy does not also extend to them because as parents we owe them the opportunity to learn from their mistakes and be able to move on with their lives the same as we did.

cherokeetweetie
cherokeetweetie

@Dina Altenbernd really??? Well then, I hope you and you children are aware of what each of the 200+ crimes are that can require you to register!!! Many things that are now considered a crime, have been normal behavior for centuries. Can you even name the NON sexual crimes that require registration?? It is NOT the black and white issue you perceive!

bigdgal
bigdgal

@David Angle 

Not all of them.

cherokeetweetie
cherokeetweetie

@William Manning You are wrong. For starters, being a registrant does not make you a child molester, they do not sort out the different levels of crimes, as each ban, or taking of freedom, applies to everyone across the board. They tried to make it so ALL registrants could not get food stamps, but it was struck down because they looked back on how it had worked with drug convictions. They discovered that all states had an opt out clause and that most of them had used it because not allowing someone to eat, tended to escalate the crime rate. Now since you didn't want to get started on what you feel is a registrants "freedoms" let me illuminate the issue for you. For one, they CANNOT get free or even subsidized housing, they are banned from federal housing programs, they are also banned from purchasing a home (not that many can afford one anyway) through a federal loan program, and have also be banned from federal small business loans. No matter how hard a person tries, even if they manage to succeed and ARE able to keep a decent roof over their family's head, decent clothes on their backs and good food on the table that list of  "freedoms" that you tout are still severely curtailed. No matter what their crime was, even if it had nothing to do with a child, they are not allowed to attend any of their child's school functions, and in many states, cannot accompany their child to the following, a state park, a museum, a library, a lake, a beach, a carnival, an amusement park, a fast food restaurant (many of them have playgrounds, or anywhere that a child may be present. Even the basic freedom to attend church is denied to many, should the church grounds include a nursery, daycare or school. Most are denied the right to own a gun or to vote.  All are denied the most basic right that there is, the right to feel safe in their own home, or anywhere because of the ignorance and mob mentality of the majority of  the American people. Keep in mind all of these restrictions also punish his family, wife and children and sometimes the repercussion even extends to friends and employers for having the audacity to see a person who has been REHABILITATED!!!

bigdgal
bigdgal

@William Manning 

The drug laws are ANOTHER issue that needs to be improved.

cherokeetweetie
cherokeetweetie

@Ron Clements LOL!!! You are not even aware of how many people like you, use the old "those women and their boyfriends" routine. It is the trademark of the uninformed, since you can't even take the time to find out about the person you are speaking of. If you can't take the time to do research to prevent making yourself look ignorant on a minor issue such as who started the organization, I guess that proves you certainly are not going to go above and beyond that to research the major issues. Thank you for your input though.

bigdgal
bigdgal

@Ron Clements 

I don't know which poster you are referring to, but I am the aunt of a young man who was way too sheltered by his Baptist parents. He was alone in his room and long story sort, discovered pornography, then child pornography. So, he started to download some of it.

Plea bargaining took him from 99 years in the federal penitentiary, to "only 20 years".

So, instead of starting college next year, he'll be somewhere in the U.S. incarcerated. You and I will be paying a ton of our tax dollars toward keeping him there, oh, and way more just like him.

Then he'll be on that delightful sex offender registry forever. So, y'all can target him as dangerous to yourself and your children. You won't let your kid play with his kid. In fact you'll probably warn your kid away from his kid. So your kid will tell all the other kids. A lot of the sex offender's children are targeted. A few have committed suicide over their isolation and the bullying they get.

Meanwhile, when he raises his kids, he won't be able to take his kids to school, go to parent/teacher conferences, see his kid play soccer.

What's really stupid, is none of this was necessary. Evan is not a danger. I know him. You say I'm his family, so I am naïve.

No, I'm not naïve. I was molested when I was 5, by an adult family member. I became a police officer. Since I was the only female in a high crime rate area, I was the one who took every rape and molestation report. As a police decoy prostitute I was working undercover among  thousands of sex crime offenders. Posing as a high school student, I was among the diverse maturity levels that age range brings.

I always watch for signs of sexual interest and abuse. I've stopped strangers to tell them when I've been concerned for them or their child. I wish someone had done that for me when I was 5 years old.

My nephew was immature, sheltered, sexually curious and in a depression. He is not a predator, dangerous or a pedophile.

But I still started investigating and educating myself. Thousands of hours of research.

He is in the group that is shown to be the least threat. The easiest to find success in therapy. Less than 1 (one) % ever commit a crime, any crime let alone a sexual offense.

But he will get out of jail when he is 40 years old. To enter the sex offender registry...

and judged by people like YOU.

bigdgal
bigdgal

@Bernice Green 

No, we KNOW that a convicted sex offender has all of their rights taken away.

Rephrase your question perhaps.

bigdgal
bigdgal

Does it say when it happened?...

Where a 17 year molested a 7 year old.... many years ago. When you look now at the registry - the offender has aged, let's say to your example of 35 years old. But, the "victim"'s age stays the same. Not saying that is the case with Mr. Ingram.

His picture may be recent as of June 30, 2008. But the crime may have happened 18 years ago.

Often the original mug shot looks way different than how the person currently looks. But it doesn't say that on the registry info for that offender.


So, if the 17 year old Jonathan, had been molested, confused. Acted out on the 7 year old. Years later, with counseling, he understands and is moving forward, with newfound clarity. Is safe to be around.

Is on the same list as the other rare type. The one who will continue to re-offend.


The current list does not differentiate.


That is why reform is needed.


cherokeetweetie
cherokeetweetie

@Julia Nelson OK! I looked that name up on both the National Sex Offender Registry AND the State of Missouri Sex Offender Registry and got zero results. Please post a link to the file or something that indicates he is an actual registrant. Thank you.


bigdgal
bigdgal

@Julia Nelson 

So, let's say your 10 year old son was curious about something he saw on a late night porn show he should not have seen. Next day he is playing with some kids and however it happens, the 2 boys "explore" a bit sexually. Mom walks in. Calls the police. The 10 year old is arrested, serves time, on the sex offender registry.

TODAY... 25 years later, you are looking at ....

"...age 35 here is his picture on june 30 2008 he was convicted for sodomy of a 7 year old boy here is what his car looks like here is his license plate # this is his address this is his work address.

WE, the concerned protective parents... do not know if this Jonathan Ingram is a really truly dangerous sex offender, or that kid I described.

You can thank our congressmen for this nonsense sex offender registry, and news reporters. All of those votes for ... this politician is "making our children safer, tough on sex offenders".

 It's a lie. They are making our children less safe!

How about the news... ".. tune in at 10pm for our story on how to make your children safe, how you can see what sex offender lives in your neighborhood...."     commercials to follow...

What we need is a REAL sex offender registry - so we all can know if this Jonathan Ingram is a danger or not.

And by the way, would you let your child go over to Mr. Ingram's house to play with his kid?

cherokeetweetie
cherokeetweetie

@Julia Nelson pathetic, like you saying it makes it true!

bigdgal
bigdgal

@Julia Nelson 

Shame on you for that comment.

shellystow
shellystow

@sjjpsjjp, I agree with much you have said, but I wish you had been more careful in your proofreading before you posted. You say that the claim that the public registry is not additional punishment is "far from hypocritical, sanctimoniously deception." I am relatively sure you mean to say that it IS hypocritical, sanctimonious deception."

And then in your third paragraph from the end, you say "It is not widely known that offenders completing therapy are less likely to offend by a considerable percentage margin." Again, I am relatively certain you meant to say, "It is NOW widely known...." And it is.

Regarding treatment, for those with your attitude and situation, treatment is indeed extremely beneficial. However, I must say that not all situations call for treatment, and for them, treatment can be destructive. In Romeo and Juliet situations, what type of "treatment" is needed for a 19 year old heterosexual male who finds a 16 year old female sexually attractive? At the most he needs a crash course in where the legal lines are drawn and not acting on his urges when a line will be crossed. However, if the young lady had lied about her age and his intent was a liaison with an 18 year old, treatment would be harmful. For those who are wrongly accused and convicted--and there are many--treatment is very destructive. It forces them to admit guilt before they can even be admitted to the program. Imagine being in a situation where you were innocent and your choices were maintaining that innocence and going back to prison or falsely admitting guilt and being in a program whose purpose was to convince you of the damage you had done your victim.

This is already too long, but I must say that you have been fortunate in your choice of treatment provider. Some are quite good. Many are not. For many, they are financially driven, not client-oriented, and for those who are nothing more than part of the sex offender industry, they do more damage than good.

val03
val03

Not quite grasshopper but good bluff though. Juveniles are committing more heinous crimes of a sexual nature than ever before. Due to the widespread abuse and failed treament and or correctional systems. The Majority of convicted sex offenders STARTED abusing while in their teens and went on to progress to more dangerous and violent forms of sexual abuse. The average fiest time an offender who recieved LEGAL sanction was 31 years old with a victim under 12. SO NO "tweetie" pass that "just made a mistake" BS off on others who dont know better. Based on the NIBRS data, the year in a male’s life when he is most likely to be the victim of a sexual assault is age 4." and thats just a crying shame".

bigdgal
bigdgal

@cherokeetweetie

I was wondering what the point this guy thought he was making about Food Stamps and housing for drug vs. sex offenders

You did a good job explaining the issues sex offenders go through. There is no other offense where it is practically impossible to     eventually get a normal life again...and that punishes their kids as well.

When I listen to these people slamming sex offenders, they sound brain washed.

I guess people believe everything their TV news people tell them, and what their politicians rile them up about.

val03
val03

an over-whelming number of offenders who "just viewed a little CP" have live victims under their belts, as much as 68% ..One study carried out by the US Postal Inspections Service found that in 36

per cent of cases of possession of pornographic material featuring children,

the individuals were also involved in actual abuse. Separate figures from the

US Customs service reported 80 per cent of people in possession were also

abusing.

 So yea your nephew is the classic perv bigdgal and your history of abuse doesnt give you more "insight" to the issue, if anything it gives the offender a very poor prognosis due to the atmosphere of abuse suffered by family members. If you indeed did "thousands of hours" of research, then you would have read that in the first hour.

val03
val03

Shame on YOU propagandizing the public what great guys sex offenders are ..Seriously who are you bullshitting? WE read the daily papers and all your huffin and puffin isnt going to change a thing. You spend all the ink you want anonymously trying to convince the public we should "adopt a freak for Christmas" but you come near my Family with that nephew of yours without disclosing his status? Which you broads are notorious for? You wont be able to live on this earth with me, is that understood?

val03
val03

Shelly you still trolling for sexually violent predators to become members of your pathetic group? Umm wonder if they can afford those new membership dues your begging for??

bigdgal
bigdgal

@shellystow @sjjpsjjp 

You are obviously well informed on these sex offender issues. I just wanted to add to your point about therapy. During my research, I've come across many complaints like yours

Some really have no need for a cookie cutter -same therapy - fits all.... Such as - The wrongly accused/convicted. The immature youths who were in the middle of depression, so were watching child porn. The Romeo/Juliets. The youths playing doctor...

 Group sessions could put them with a different kind of sex offender, would expose them to sexual matters beyond anything that should be in their heads.

And so many sex offenders have complained about the therapy sessions where they finally just have to make up false sexual offenses they committed, just to get the therapist to say ... " now you are finally making progress...".

cherokeetweetie
cherokeetweetie

@bigdgal Thank you. It is easy to do when you are presenting the truth. America has become a nation of sheep.
 

val03
val03

First of all you are very presumptious to think I engage with enablers to "present an argument" . I dont present arguments, I present my opinion due to the many years I have watched this issue and the parties involved then post excerpts from information I have garnered thru various resources.

 I dont waste my time getting into pissing contest with people like you. You are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change yours. I only exist to offset the never-ending bullshit your groups love to spread across the web while "distorting and outright lying about reoffend rates to the public. Try that PEDO Speak with others not nearly so familiar with your dangerous tactics.

bigdgal
bigdgal

@val03 Thousands of hours was due to reading the studies, then researching every footnote, which led to more studies and research and footnotes. And the thousands of hours included looking at BOTH sides and their arguments and research and footnotes. I looked at the data/research as an objective observer. NOT as the aunt of someone arrested for a crime.


I've taken a break from researching this, but would be interested in the US Postal and Customs studies - to see if they are part of my archive of info.


Usually the pattern in this kind of study is - "here are contact sex offenders... oh, look at the high % that view child porn". That is like saying - "look at these murderers... oh look at the high % who watched violent movies. "

Therefore all people who watch violent movies     have a high likelihood of murdering someone.


I'll still take a look at the studies you want to present for your argument. May I assume that you looked into these studies?

bigdgal
bigdgal

@val03 Thousands of hours was due to reading the studies, then researching every footnote, which led to more studies and research and footnotes. And the thousands of hours included looking at BOTH sides and their arguments and research and footnotes. I looked at the data/research as an objective observer. NOT as the aunt of someone arrested for a crime.


I've taken a break from researching this, but would be interested in the US Postal and Customs studies - to see if they are part of my archive of info.


Usually the pattern in this kind of study is - "here are contact sex offenders... oh, look at the high % that view child porn". That is like saying - "look at these murderers... oh look at the high % who watched violent movies. "

Therefore all people who watch violent movies     have a high likelihood of murdering someone.


I'll still take a look at the studies you want to present for your argument. May I assume that you looked into these studies?


val03
val03

Wow just wow ..real prolific..wouldnt it be nice if you showed as much outrage to these horrific crimes as you do the post people make about your precious offenders. You have a BIG mouth trying to dissuade the TRUE dangers the 99% of convicted sex offenders pose to the public. If you dont want HEAT from people like me, crawl off that "sex offenders are over prosecuted and misunderstood" crap.

You FAIL to grasp women as yourself, use the registry when its convienant to NOT disclose an offenders status . and I quote: "we moved into a new neighborhood and the neighbors child made friends with mine". If the parents were so concerned they would check the regiistry to see my husband is listed"

 Why should I tell them"???

 Offenders and their families are devious. Always have been, always will be.  

bigdgal
bigdgal

@val03 You are deflecting my point.

Julia Nelson - she stated that "The 8 people who liked this are rapists". ...Why would you allow anyone to just say that? Why are YOU - val03 allowing that? You should be ashamed for that! OR  - prove that those 8 people really are rapists. Then as unpleasant as that is -that could be fair.


Now you are being just plain ridiculous with your last comment.

I would never say sex offenders (or anyone else) are great guys. I only say that about people I personally know.

What are you babbling about - Christmas and freaks and adopting them? - I never mentioned anything about any of that. Sheesh - you make stuff up out of thin air.

If your family is anything like you - I just don't do well  with people who stereotype other people. That is how you come across to me..

So no worries about my family, including my nephew, coming near you. But if that really happened, my nephew would be the first to advise you of his status.

And that comment about -  Which you broads are notorious for?  - You do not know me, why do you persist in stereotyping people?

What are you talking about? We both live on this earth.  I don't know you, and have no plans to meet you.

Wow. Just Wow.

val03
val03

You want some cheese with that whine?

bigdgal
bigdgal

@val03 How crude. I assure you - I am not "banging" anyone being discussed. I am not a freak.


I am involved with others who have experienced this out of control sex offender registry. I don't see this as a mad dash.

All true reform takes time. Most reform has people who don't like it- because they don't see the need.


Once we've been forced to look at the registry- as it is now - we realize it is a mess. It is wasting a vast amount of our tax dollars, for no real pay off on safety. People are being lied to about it being successful. That is bad enough.


But there are people like this val03 poster. They attempt to inflame us for trying to reform and make people aware of the problems with it.

This poster will take any discussion - and turn it into the worst case scenarios, the most awful crimes, and makes statements such as-  used small children for a sexual buffet and would do it again given the "opportunity".  

Really?

Anyone can take any topic and make it inflammatory like that.

Be alert to posters like that. They try and suck you in. That distracts you from really investigating for yourself.

And maybe, just maybe - you'll see what many of us have come to realize.

The sex offender registry is a mess, and it is costing you and me a lot of money  - for nothing. And surprisingly - there are way too many people on this list - that it is truly not necessary. Ruining their life in the process.




val03
val03

funny you freaks and or the women banging them pretend NOT to KNOW each other, cracks me up. For the casual reader who comes across these forums? These are methodical groups who e-blast each other to comment on these articles, its what they do. They are called "minutemen" and its a collection of any thing that slthers and or crawls who have sex offender status, or its their mothers, wives or family members of sex offenders trying to change the "tide of opinion". Their members are on a mad dash to abolish the registry due the the heinousness of their crimes. They are all level twos and threes with horrendous crimes under their belts. The MAJORITY of these registrants should have targets on their foreheads, and NONE of them Pissed on a tree,accidently stumbled on a CP site (laugh) or has consentual underage sex. That you can take to the bank. They are rapist, kidnappers, compulsive CP viewers and or have used small children for a sexual buffet and would do it again given the "opportunity".  

rwsmom
rwsmom

@bigdgal I absolutely agree! I have often heard that if a registrant does NOT comply with the "rules of therapy" meaning, they don't admit guilt, then they are violated and returned back to prison.  In my opinion, a majority of the registrants can not afford an upwards of 50-100 dollars for therapy each week, again resulting in re-incarceration.  While I agree therapy and treatment is good for some, it's just as punishable and unjust for others.

I think what the answer is to sexual abuse is to stop the sexualization in America or stop the punishment of such.  We can't have it both ways. It seems those who are stuck between the two sides are the victims of the registry laws for the majority of the time.  With all the empirical research and studies regarding this subject, it's apparent to me that the 95.6% of people on the registry are NOT true sexual offenders and are no harm to society.  These are the people who are the real victims to these laws. 

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