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Dispatch from Dodger Stadium: A Cardinals Fan Lost in Los Angeles

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Courtesy Morgan Spencer
This postseason, St. Louis Cardinals fans have taken a beating in the national media. We'd link to all the examples of this, but we'll save you the brain cells. (Getting trolled kills them, you see.) And we know we're the "Best Fans in Baseball," even the players themselves admit it, so we're cool, don't worry about us.

In fact, we stumbled across someone who has her own feelings to share on the conduct of the Los Angeles fans. That'd be Morgan Colleen Spencer, a St. Louis ex-pat who grew up in Joplin, lived in the Lou for five years then moved to L.A. for work.

She attended a game donned in full Cardinals regalia, awash in a sea of Dodger blue, and sent us an unsolicited chronicle of her harrowing experience which left her "longing for home." Though there's no way to verify any of the details in Spencer's story, we figure since everyone is having such a good time defaming St. Louis fans, we'd just spread the hate around a little.

After the jump, a Cardinals fan dispatch from Tinsel Town.

See also: Ten Ways to Act Like an Unrepentant Cardinals Fan and BFIB

SUBJECT: Cardinals Fan Experience @ Dodgers Stadium

LETTER:

Last night was an interesting night; Going to watch the Cardinals at Dodgers Stadium for a Post Season game seemed harmless enough, being that I'm a Cardinal fan that's a transplant California resident from St. Louis. What I expected to be a fun good game actually turned into a near horrifying experience that has left me nothing but longing for home.

First of all, The Dodger fans are a lot like the players on their team: tactless, classless, disrespectful, disgusting animals that are honestly an embarrassment to Los Angeles. I have been to a handful of ball parks including the other two here in Southern California, (Petco Park, Angels Stadium,) and never have I EVER experienced such a rowdy, rude, repulsive, disrespectful bunch of people in my life! (Not even in the thickest of rush hours on the Hollywood 101 Freeway!!) From the second I sat down two hours prior to game time, the chatter I heard rumbling around me wasn't great things about their team, it was horrible things about the Cardinals! They booed literally every time the Birds were up to bat, and then taunted a kid in the bleachers who happened to be lucky enough to catch Shane Robinson's home run ball by chanting "throw it back". They spent a good ten to fifteen minutes harassing the kid, grown men harassing him to throw a well caught, home run ball back just because it was a Cardinal who hit it. That kid didn't care what color jersey the guy who hit the ball was wearing! All he knew was that he caught a home run ball, hit by a major league ball player, and that he had a pretty cool souvenir to take home and show his friends, until the taunting and jeering by the Dodger adult fans finally prompted him to throw it back. It sickened me to watch.

Second thing was, I didn't feel safe! I went knowing that there was a history of rough housing between Dodger fans and their opposing fans, as a single white female, in my twenties, 5'3 and weighing in at a buck ten, wearing my Cardinal gear. I had at least three encounters where I was most definitely sure that I might not make it out of there without a few bumps and bruises. It's not good practice in being a good host to threaten fans of the opposing team.

Needless to say, I have never been so proud to be a Cardinal fan, and a part of supporting a ball club that has such a great reputation and such great and talented men playing for it. Never again will I venture to Dodger Stadium to watch the Cardinals play. I hope St. Louis is willing to welcome me home with open arms because if I wasn't over L.A. before, I'm certainly over it now!

I leave you with this...hey Dodger fans, when you cut your skin, what color is your blood? That's right, it's RED, CARDINAL RED! Stop saying you bleed Dodger blue! GO BIRDS!

See also: 9 Most Cringe-Worthy Cardinals Fan Songs of All Time

Oh, and in case you glossed over that earlier mention that Major League Baseball players overwhelmingly voted St. Louis fans the BEST FANS IN BASEBALL, here:

Follow Jessica Lussenhop on Twitter at @Lussenpop. E-mail the author at Jessica.Lussenhop@RiverfrontTimes.com.

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Jacob Andrew Williams
Jacob Andrew Williams

Ha! I just read these comments. First, the most trash talk I've heard about the Rams are from lifelong St Louisans, which I think is pretty funny. And smug? You don't even know me. Who goes around bragging and patting themselves on the back about being the best fans in the MLB? And I'm the smug one? And what has your city ever done for me? Also, I'd like to know how disliking a fanbase qualifies as having a shitty attitude, and how it's relevant to getting a job? And it's good to love your city, and to love your team. I really do respect that. I was just voicing my experiences with the shitty attitudes I receive from Cards fans, but yeah...you've really changed my mind about that. I was so wrong. Could you ever forgive me?

jaymontague
jaymontague

Wow...  Just wow.  Middle America has some pretty thin skin.  For the sake of all involved, please never attempt to attend a sporting event in Philadelphia, NY, NJ, Boston.  Actually, just stay out of the North Eastern parts of the United States.  

You're welcome.

Jorge Rodriguez Rodriguez Ruxin
Jorge Rodriguez Rodriguez Ruxin

Fuck you, you blood belching vagina. If I want to hear anything from you, I will shove my arm up your ass and work your mouth like a puppet. Cunt.

Heather Welborn
Heather Welborn

so don't share your opinion on something you don't give a shit about and spend your time doing something you enjoy instead of being negative for no reason

Heather Welborn
Heather Welborn

sucking all the way to the world series, you salty sour mafucka! #umadumad

Heather Welborn
Heather Welborn

look at the smug west coast prat! what an ungrateful attitude you have for my city. move back to where you really wanna be when you grow up, if you can afford the price and get hired with such a shitty attitude

Heather Welborn
Heather Welborn

my arms get tired giving fellow STL fans high-fives because we fucking own at this sport and y'all get so salty as hell about it. maybe if your city's team would stop sucking your arm would get sore too, huh? only thing y'all sore about right now is sucking at sports STL dominates #dealwithit

Tommy Rector
Tommy Rector

Nicely written Morgan!!! You have talent. The only 2 people that the Nation booed last night were Puig and Gonzalez. I do have a lot of respect for AG and have ALWAYS spoke highly if him, but Puig on the other hand. I am not a father but if I were I would teach my child to boo someone who disrespects our game, our umpires, our national past time the way he does. He's been around half a year and he does things a 10yr vet doesn't do.

arcoyle
arcoyle

Although I am a Cards fan for life, I have to say the behavior she is describing sounds like any other team in Post Season playoffs at their home stadium.  Sure we don't boo at people at Busch stadium, but I can expect if I showed up at Petco for a Padres vs Cardinals game in what could be the last game of the NLCS that I'd be expecting fun loving trouble too.  They may have seen it as the excitement of the game and the few threatening individuals you had to deal with don't make up for a stadium full of fans wanting their team to win.  By stating it this way you are looking to place yourself as a MEGA FAN and put down others for showing their own team pride.  There was a horribly written article placed the other day about how horrible Cardinals fans are, and unfortunately you have made a few of their statements seem true.  Good on you for showing CardsNation pride in LA and awesome for the Cardinals for making the series, but don't put a voice to the rest of the fans because you had a somewhat bad but normal sports arena experience. 

Epic Coffeetime
Epic Coffeetime

Went to the game with a Dodger fan last night. When you let your kids boo in the face of an opposing teams fan, you should be ashamed of yourself. I was ashamed to be a St. Louisan escorting a buddy from LA to the game. I guess it is a good thing St. Louis won, it may have been worse.

Chris Picquet
Chris Picquet

LA Dodgers are a great organization, been around for years. They have a great fan base and 99% of the fans I have met are great. Like anything, it only takes one bad apple etc.,(Puigs a punk and always will be a punk). That being said, Hats off to da Dodgers, see ya again another year somewhere down the line. Time to concentrate on another WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP !!!

Paul Cook
Paul Cook

People say all sports fans do the same, but I can tell you that no fan of another team would ever feel in physical danger in St. Louis. Some good natured ribbing, for sure. Maybe even some cruel words about their lineage. But NEVER would a St. Louis fan make another teams fan feel physically threatened. The worst I ever did was send a couple of lost cubs fans looking for the stadium into North St. Louis instead of toward the stadium.

Morgan Spencer
Morgan Spencer

Well the St. Louis Cardinals are moving on to the World Series as the Los Angeles Dodgers are flying home with their heads held low tonight. Not even Tinsel Town could have written a happy ending into the script for tonight’s game for their beloved Dodgers. The Cardinals came into Game 6 with a 3-2 lead after a tough loss at Dodger Stadium for Game 5. In a similar situation to last Post Season where the Cardinals had a 3-1 lead against the San Francisco Giants in the NLCS and ended up falling to them in the end, they had much to prove this 2013 Post Season and showed up to the plate to do so! With who is now the NLCS MVP, 22 year old, Michael Wacha on the mound, the Redbirds took on the Dodgers’ “ace” pitcher Clayton Kershaw and didn’t waste much time getting under his skin with four runs in the third inning alone. Wacha, holding his statuesque composure well into the game held off the Dodgers allowing only two hits and no runs the entire game for a final score of 9-0 St. Louis. Taking into account my horrific encounter at Game 4 in Dodger Stadium the Dodgers did bring a mean series against the Cardinals, but in the end justice was served up on a Cardinal red platter.

Prakash Hemchand
Prakash Hemchand

Wait a minute.. You're going to the Whiners game and didn't invite me?

lidlebitz
lidlebitz

Guess what!?!?!?!? Cardinals are going to the World Series!!!!!!!

wiskyjulie
wiskyjulie

I grew up in St Louis, am a Cards fan 4 Life, but have lived in LA for 10 years. I am tired of all this whining - Cardinal players complaining about excessive celebrating, this girl being surprised she got heckled wearing her cards gear to dodger stadium in a playoff game. That would happen in any stadium.  And yes, everywhere fans are encouraged to throw back the home run ball of the opposing team.  I don't think she understands what baseball fandom is like. I go to Cards/Dodgers games every year. I went to game 3 and 4 and wore red. Yes, I got teased a little but I also had positive interactions with dodger fans who wanted to talk baseball.  If you are going to wear your cardinal jersey to dodger stadium, don't forget your big girl pants. 

Maranda Kay
Maranda Kay

I was personally told by Jake Peavy last year that Saint Louis is the number one ballpark players bring their families... Because we are classy, clean, and the families are treated with respect!

clio858
clio858

You can't truly judge a team's fans by how they behave at a CRITICAL Post Season Game.... especially when you are decked out in the opponents jersey! 

tennisla1
tennisla1

Her account of things sounds about right. I am not saying Cardinal fans are any better. Sports fans in general are usually not the best behaved bunch.

benavidez.susana
benavidez.susana

I'm pretty sure we have more class than those trashy looking shorts you're wearing.  Try wearing those in St. Lou in October and see how much you miss home! Go Dodgers!

skillarena
skillarena

Their behavior is the same on the streets of L.A., "Classless" is an understatement..!!

keith312
keith312

I hope somebody slapped her with a soggy Dodger Dog!

OrsonRamen
OrsonRamen

Haha, if you can imagine, Dodger Stadium used to be even worse! I'm a Dodgers fan and I don't even go to that pit of despair. Eh, I still go sometimes, but it's not a friendly place, this girl is right. It's a shame really, such a beautiful place to watch a game.

diamondave
diamondave

i can see the stadium from my house & no longer go because of the gang bangers that are looking for someone to victimize. don't believe me than you haven't been to a game lately or the last 10 years.violent attendees are all over this place just looking for a victim & these pussies always travel in pairs or gangs cause they don't have the balls to start some shit just 1 on 1. its just a game folks & how about some sportsmanship instead of assholship my fellow angelinos are displaying. yes, the people are rude, violent & have zero class  & could careless about there fellow man. with that i say suck it!

lillingworth913
lillingworth913

If you don't have a backbone, don't come to another teams stadium in full gear during the NLCS. She's just a crybaby

gododgers
gododgers

Dodger Stadium used to be worse ... before the dreadful Bryan Stow incident. It's improved. Her seats are in the cheap section so she's getting the worst percentage of the 53,000+ there.

She wore her St. Louis gear and cheered passionately for her team while the Dodgers had a bad game. That wouldn't be received well in ANY MLB stadium during the playoffs. I've been to several. When you visit another team's stadium, sit quiet and be a respectful guest. No one wants to see YOU jump up and down for your team, especially in the NLCS. Use common sense.

The Dodgers were the BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL for a big part of the second half. They haven't appeared in the World Series in 25 years. We're desperate for this to be our year. The Cardinals are always excellent in the postseason. They're like the Yankees.

The Cardinals have proven classless to the entire country for their complaints about the Dodgers' enthusiasm in Game 3, which should have been received as a compliment after being dominated in the first two games. It's a game. It's meant to be fun. They were just as guilty in Games 1 and 2.

She wasn't forced to move to L.A. Like many young people, she chose to move west for career and life aspirations. Miss St. Louis? Move back and enjoy your winters. Why don't you make a video dancing around to a Kanye West song and quit?

Woody Atkinson
Woody Atkinson

These are the same shameless trolls that took a dip in the Diamondback's pool when they clinched. You don't do that in someone else's house. Little League players behave better than these guys.

Mary Stewart
Mary Stewart

This article is spot on! I'm also a transplanted St. Louis Cardinals fan in Los Angeles. When I first moved here in 1985 Dodger stadium was a great place to go. Since most people living in LA are from somewhere else, they were pretty tolerant about fans of other teams wearing their team jerseys etc. Not anymore. I do not feel safe wearing my Cards jersey. People stand to block your view, dirty looks, taunting and jeering, bumps while walking, sodas spilled on you. Things got so bad with a Giants fan he was beaten and kicked in the head and ended up in a coma. And the sound system has ear splitting loud rap music with flashing LED screens. As Mike Shannon once said, it's more infotainment than baseball. GO CARDS!

swisssailor
swisssailor

If you think people are worse at dodger stadium than in terrible LA traffic (which would be more of a 405 and 10 freeway thing than a 101thing) than clearly you haven't spent enough time in LA.

Also you said you had three encounters  but felt the need to qualify the thousands of dodger fans and all of our players as "tactless, classless, disrespectful, disgusting animals that are honestly an embarrassment to Los Angeles". Next time be specific and leave the rest of us "animals" out of your commentary that did nothing that day but buy a dodger dog and cheer for their home team. 

Finally, I believe that a large group of people from the same place are also indicative of the energies of what it takes to survive in such a large, challenging, culturally diverse city such as LA. So, YES, you are right. We are rowdy, aggressive and wayyyy over confident. These qualities are at our forefronts because it is what is necessary, for a lot of us,  in our daily lives to survive in this city. Thick skin being the last, a lot of the strong personalties you encountered we endure everyday.  I think this goes for players too, they tend to mirror the energy of the city they play in and ours is filled with constant global attention and excitement.

SAFETY though you should never have to worry about and I think you are spot on their. Even with our security improvements since the owner change the upper deck has always felt a little uneasy to me and I spent at least 10 games up there this season. 


On a lighter note..... COME ON!!!! We haven't been to the world series since 88. I was 1 year old!!! You guys just got one... give us a break =]





miss_sol5
miss_sol5

Get over yourself and go home, this happens at EVERY stadium.

stan8331
stan8331

@wiskyjulie The fact that atrocious fan behavior is now so common it's considered normal is no justification for its existence. These are GAMES.  Anyone who threatens or actually harms someone else just for being a fan or keeping a homerun ball is a criminal moron and such behavior should not be tolerated in any decent society, regardless of whether the offenders are fans of my team or any other.

billj598
billj598 topcommenter

@wiskyjulie What is being described here and in the other article about Stan Musial's Grandson is far from what is considered "normal" heckling in an opposing team's home stadium.  Maybe you have been living out there a little too long and the smog has affected your brain !  Disgusting behavior on and off the field.  Typical LA trash ! 

lidlebitz
lidlebitz

Except for the fact that Cardinals fans gave a DODGERS player a standing ovation when he came to the plate during a CRITICAL Post season game...

Give me a break. They need to grow up!

arcoyle
arcoyle

@benavidez.susana This was a tacky response.  She was wearing shorts to a baseball game.  You're grasping at straws to have a voice and made yourself look petty while doing it. 

me2allday
me2allday

Dodgers & all their fans SUCK...fat ones in the daytime...oh by the way Dodgers lost 9-0...your team is soft...

sheldogg23
sheldogg23

Desperate to win, or desperate to riot? In L.A. I can't really tell the difference. 

sheldogg23
sheldogg23

@swisssailor Then why don't you stand up for what is right, and tell your fellow  fans to knock the s*** off. I had an a-hole follow my wife and I to our car with his cronies, and all the other Dodgers fans just watched...did nothing...security did nothing...not a worthless LAPD officer to be found post-game in the parking lot...pathetic.

Say what you will, but if that scenario played out in STL, A Cards fan would be on their phone with the police, or getting help for their fellow human being to prevent a melee.

Let's not forget, there has been ONE stadium in all of baseball that has fans who've nearly beaten a guy to death, then the following year pulled a fan out of his car and beat him while his PREGNANT WIFE was screaming in the front seat. Come on. You people saying this happens everywhere. At every stadium. No. It. Doesn't. What other stadiums? What stadiums have you been to? I've lived all over the United States, and have been to many stadiums, and I've never seen (or experienced) the idiocy from CERTAIN (to be fair) Dodgers fans. 

For you REAL Dodgers fans, TAKE YOUR FRANCHISE BACK!

It is so damn ironic that the team that proudly bears THE #42 from baseball,  and promoted and fought for equality in the league and in sports history, treats people in such a disrespectful manner. 

sheldogg23
sheldogg23

@miss_sol5 So... tell us about ALL of the stadiums you've been to......share pictures if you have them, to back up your baseless claim. 

wiskyjulie
wiskyjulie

@stan8331 She doesn't go into any detail about the supposed bodily-harm threatening situations. What she reports is just basic heckling. If you want an easier ride, don't sit in the bleachers. I sat in the dodgers bleachers for one playoff game in 2009 and got harassed to the point of it being annoying (but not scary). So since then, I sit in field level seats by the Cardinals side so that at least I'm not the only Cardinals fan in the section.  I was only trying to give my perspective as a female Cardinals fan who has attended Cardinals games in Dodger Stadium for 10 years. 

gododgers
gododgers

@sheldogg23 Your city is pathetic -- full of overweight people with lower incomes and less education. Commenting here must be considered a "night out" for you. We visit your city once in a ... never. Enjoy the fact that L.A. is thinking about you now because once this series is over, we won't ever. You mean as much to us as Reno. Enjoy the Rams, we didn't want them. Also, enjoy the NBA and the Stanley Cup.

happycow_m00
happycow_m00

@sheldogg23 Or desperate to kick your ass ha ha ha listen your in L.A not in your own deteriorating arm pit of middle America. Where DEPERESSION SETS in at the Womb. Forget the Bible Belt you guys are the mecca for bad food please mention something other then a dreadful Casserole made with Campbells cream of mushroom soup, and really terrible weather. Go go go go go go go back home and don't let the door kick you hard in the ass..

miss_sol5
miss_sol5

omygosh @sheldogg23 - you too need to get over yourself....stop commeting on stuff, you're just being annoying now.

mr.joaquinandrade
mr.joaquinandrade

 @sheldogg23 I'm sorry as a True Dodger Fan that you had a bad individual experience at Chavez Ravine. No one should have to fear for their Lives over a game... that being said You obviously haven't been there since (understandably) because there are as many police officers as seats. I'm sorry you felt threatened by Assholes cloaked in Blue. Those people aren't fans.. just people looking for a place to get drunk. It's people that do things not teams, not fan bases, I don't hold the Giants fans base responsible for the Stabbing death that took place less than a month ago. Nor do I blame Stlousians for the viscous Violent crimes they've inflicted in innocent people. (look at your own states crime figures).. We Have Our franchise Right Where We Want it to be. Sitting atop Our Division, With No end to our Pockets or prowess in Sight. Stadium Full of Our Passionate Fans..  Do what you have to ensure that your family is safe at all times.. if that means not coming to enemy territory that's your call to make Not Our fans...  and you mention the Angles and Padres... haha come on If you understood baseball or sports you'd know that those teams are Jokes.. So if you Don't  Win championships and If you don't do so for Decades you don't have the same level of  pride.. IE you don't have passionate fans. just a bunch of Disney kids and people too distracted by the surfing... that's like saying well i went to a Chargers game and had no problems  But they hated on me at the RAIDERS GAME... not that I  condone the actions but rather I understand where the fan's insanity is coming from. 

miss_sol5
miss_sol5

I don't need to justify anything to you, don't really care wether or not you believe me.

stan8331
stan8331

@wiskyjulie @stan8331 There's no way to know how bad this specific case really was. I was thinking more of the overall environment that has developed around sporting events.  We've seen people get killed or grievously injured for the crime of attending a game in opposing team colors. The simple act of keeping a homerun ball is now an invitation to physical attack.  Even if the harassment is only verbal, it's not an environment I would find enjoyable and certainly not a situation i would consider taking kids into. I agree this stuff is now normal and expected, but that doesn't mean it's right.

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