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coming out of the wood work with cameras
And we have more and more of them here in Sydney and all over NSW.
Woot woot!!! S.o.b.s!
Good, they should be forced to pay back everyone that's ever paid one of those tickets.
Ellisville is a nice town governed by morons.
It's about time !!
Down with the Camera's and Hire a Police Officer!!'
How about Downtown where there are many of these? My GPS kindly warns me of them. But it nonetheless, pisses me off.
Up yours HAZELWOOD
About time !!
Now they need to rule that those illegally ticketed should be entitled to sue and collect for damages! Shut these thieving and unconstitutional pick-pockets and the Fiefdoms that employ them down for good !
It is very interesting that the local "main stream media" has made a proactive effort to not cover this development. In fact, the Post Dispatch ran some 5 stories on Nottebrok, yet then when Nottebrok is overturned, they are silent. Guess Callow, Roth, Rhode, and the usual suspects are afraid of losing that money if folks found out all of these municipal ordinances are now void and unenforceable. I am just amazed at the pull they still exert in editorial discretion at the Post Disgrace.
And Dueker is off her rocker. The Eastern District issued an order last night certifying that the opinion had been reviewed en banc in accordance with Missouri Supreme Court Rule 22.01 when a previous decision is overturned. http://www.scribd.com/doc/182050104/Ellisville-Red-Light-Camera-Case-Missouri-En-Banc-Order-pdf
Jane Dueker is mistaken, this was not just the decision of a 3 judge panel. The Eastern District reviewed this en banc in compliance with Mo Supreme Court Operating Rule 22.01 in overturning Nottebrok http://www.scribd.com/doc/182050104/Ellisville-Red-Light-Camera-Case-Missouri-En-Banc-Order-pdf
Exactly this. We have had the capabilities to integrate sensor technology to greatly improve traffic for a long time, but we still stick to this backwards system where everybody loses. Instead of using that money on making sure we no longer have to sit perpendicular to two lights going between green, yellow and red for twenty minutes, they go and strap these fancy cameras to our lights. What's next, stop sign cameras? Black boxes that charge our credit card for each mile over the speed limit? Does anyone know why every car goes up to 120-160 MPH when the maximum speed limit for 90% the country is 80? They just want money.
And even then, do we outlaw sunglasses? Would it encourage people to drive even more recklessly, holding their hand up to the windshield to cover their faces? All of it has to go.
don't pay the tickets and tear the cameras down
Traffic cameras are just another form of Policing for Profit as Capitalism distorts our Justice System. These companies are bottom-feeders and take a 40% cut of the tickets while creating MORE dangerous intersections by fixing the lengths of yellow lights to entrap drivers. You can read about how private companies and crooked politicians have turned our Police forces on their ear in every attempt to squeeze money out of the general public at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-privatized-police-state.html
So...we need another law. A law that states that yellow lights should have to be so many seconds related to the distance that must be traveled and the routine traffic congestion in the intersection. Example: Creve Coeur's short light and very wide intersection has resulted in tickets for me. I now will not enter the intersection unless I am first or second in line when the green light freshly turns. If I am any slower than that I end up stuck in the intersection or just barely making it when the light turns yellow then very quickly to red. I think there have been many discussions about this particular light. They become cash cows for these struggling municipalities. I think the cameras are parasites on the public. How about using the cameras to identify that there is no one in the intersection and allowing us to proceed instead of donating pieces of our life sitting at a red light in an empty intersection? Like when I find myself driving around at 3 in the morning? That would impress me greatly.
Does this mean I get my $$$ back when my stepson ran a STL city camera light??
Good. If these police departments truly mean to improve safety then get them on the streets instead of sitting behind their desks. Go by any police station and all the cars are parked there instead of patrolling.
West county republicans don't want to pay taxes, yet still want their trash picked up. Somebody's got to pay for it. Good luck, motorists.
This is great news, hopefully the beginning of the end for all red light cameras in Missouri. Red light cameras are always used for profits, never for safety, because if the cameras ticketed only dangerous drivers the fines would not even pay the high camera costs.
The Police Officers Association of Michigan, the ACLU, the Campaign for Liberty, a representative of the judges, the Mackinac Center and the National Motorists Association used testimony and public opposition to the bills that would have brought red light cameras to Michigan and the bills were stopped.
Missouri residents should contact their state legislators to ask that the cameras be banned by law statewide.
James C. Walker, Life Member-National Motorists Association
Ellisville is a cool town, many businesses there I used to patronize frequently when I lived in STL, Lifetime Fitness, Corner Pub, many others. BUT, their law enforcement techniques are very heavy handed, obvious revenue generators. I hope the elected officials in that town can see the bigger picture, help businesses succeed rather than ringing up visitors for all kinds of "violations".
Red light cameras have been proven to increase accidents at intersections by almost 30%. They are made solely to generate revenue. http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2013/02/16/study-finds-red-light-cameras-cause-accidents/
Moving violations have to be levied on an individual. Only things like parking tickets can be levied against the vehicle. Without a valid picture of the driver that can identify them, nothing can be done.
@Eric Farlow Correctomundo! Traffic Citations are nothing but a source of revenue !
@Joe-Well Sure-Vin Agreed but the thieving Camera mfrs. or the disgusting Municipality then turn you over to a Collection Agency that sets about ruining your Credit rating !
@Teri Chadwick Not if you paid it. It is considered "voluntary payment" which means you essentially "donated" to the government, even if the government made a mistake of law.