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Missouri Drug Cop Accepts Challenge to Debate Show-Me Cannabis on Marijuana Prohibition

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Because this is America, a drug cop and a marijuana advocate will debate the pros and cons of legalization.
Kevin Glaser -- the retired narcotics officer who politely addressed marijuana-legalization advocates only to then blast them on Facebook -- was challenged to a public debate by John Payne, the executive director of Show-Me Cannabis. Glaser refused, but another drug cop has accepted the challenge to defend the prohibition of pot.

Jason Grellner, a top member of the Missouri Narcotics Officers Association, tells Daily RFT, "I would be more than happy to meet John from Show-Me Cannabis down in Poplar Bluff to debate the issue or anywhere else he would like to. We believe that we have more than enough science and economics on our side to prove our point."

Grellner also distanced the MNOA from Glaser's comments about people who advocate for the legalization of marijuana.

"Mr. Glaser believes that the communication that he left on Facebook was just going out to those in his friends category, and those are not the thoughts or wishes or programming of the Missouri Narcotics Officers Association," Grellner says.

See also: Missouri Drug Cop Says Marijuana Legalization Advocates Are Stupid Welfare-Sucking Potheads Who Probably Can't Read

Payne has given Glaser a public ultimatum: Either apologize or step-down as vice president of the MNOA. But Grellner says such an apology will be up to Glaser.

"We'll talk with Mr. Glaser about the statements he made," Grellner says. "But again, he thought his statements were just going to his friends, and it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but that will be up to Mr. Glaser as to whether or not he makes a formal apology."

As for Glaser stepping down, it's unlikely, but Grellner didn't outright reject the idea.

"We'll look into the matter, but we are not, at this time, asking him to step down," he says.

See also: Missouri Drug Cop Who Blasted Marijuana Legalization Advocates Says He "Wouldn't Retract a Word"

Payne tells Daily RFT that he is happy Grellner has agreed to a debate to defend the MNOA's anti-marijuana stand, and he said he would contact Grellner to set up a time and date, possibly in St. Louis, which he said would be a better location since it would be "mutual territory."

Payne is from Poplar Bluff (but resides in St. Louis) and Grellner is from Franklin County.

However, what he would really like is for Glaser to apologize for his comments about the people who attended the legalization town hall in Cape Girardeau.

In an e-mail exchange with Glaser, Payne says the former drug cop explained that he was talking about people he knew personally who he says are known for causing "trouble in the community."

"I don't live there. I can't speak to that. But he was painting with a broad brush," Payne says. "He was basically saying that everybody in that room is illiterate and a welfare recipient, and that is grossly unfair. And I think he should apologize for that. And if he's unwilling to apologize for that, and if those are his true feelings about everyone who advocates for the legalization of cannabis, then I don't think he has any business being in a group that advocates for any public policies."

If Payne and Grellner do set up a time to debate marijuana legalization, it won't be the first time. The two squared off in 2011 on The Jaco Report.

This time around, however, there could be more substance to discuss. Since that 2011 debate, Colorado and Washington have legalized marijuana for recreational use, and Uruguay became the first country to do the same.

See also: St. Louis Cannabis Conference: Pro-Legalization Police Officer Says "The Public is Waking Up"

It might be too early to tell, but those places have yet to turn into hellish cesspools of reefer-crazed maniacs wreaking havoc and destruction wherever a bong has been hit.

We'll keep you posted when a time and location have been agreed upon.

Follow Ray Downs on Twitter at @RayDowns. E-mail the author at Ray.Downs@RiverfrontTimes.com.



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justin.tierney
justin.tierney

you know, there is an iq limit on being a police officer, they don't want people who are too smart.

eldonorr
eldonorr

those guys could get international attention by having a one minute sumo-suit match before the debate. A little clowning around would put opposing sides more at ease with one another before push comes to shove. We're all just people trying to do what's right.

Sj Braun
Sj Braun

cops unproductive while eating FREE donuts and harassing innocent civilians..................

Marc D McNew
Marc D McNew

Unproductive society well they must be stoned as hell in jeff city an Washington DC

Ben Brogan
Ben Brogan

We all know how well prohibition works. Let's see the tiresome D.A.R.E argument get thrown around like it's a football... I think that it's really irresponsible to be against marijuana legalization even if you don't smoke it. If you have an issue with that, research CBD and see if you change your mind.

Couch Pig
Couch Pig

They got to have a reason to sieze peoples belongings and keep them in poverty paying court cost and not being able to get a job because you like what's natural

Lynn Pevey
Lynn Pevey

I'd like to know how the dumbass thought only his FB friends could see his comments when he made them public for all to see? Obviously he's the illiterate idiot if he can't even figure out how to change his privacy settings. smdh.

Ken Sawicki
Ken Sawicki

You know what they say about those that yell the loudest.

Neil Aimaro
Neil Aimaro

And usually when they are unproductive it's to no fault of the user but rather a side effect of the drug's legal statues. Notice you don't see anyone being denied employment because they got drunk last weekend.

Neil Aimaro
Neil Aimaro

The Debate ended a long time ago in favor of legalizing and regulating the sale of marijuana. These Narcotics Officers have no arguments to bring to the table that have not already been debunked.

Andrew Jovanovic
Andrew Jovanovic

Not every person who smokes is an unproductive member of our society. Generalizations are on both sides. I hope a constructive and productive debate can be had.

david_vaughn
david_vaughn

can anyone else see how flat grellner's head is in the back?  bet his mommy left him in bed a lot.  law enforcement follows the law and is blind like the law.  grellner wants job security.  he also likes to tell people what to do.  everywhere he looks, he sees a perp.  what a sad way to go thru life.

malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16

According to ScienceDaily (Nov. 2, 2011) the real gateway drug is Nicotine.

A landmark study in mice has identified a biological mechanism that explains how tobacco acts as a gateway drug, increasing a person’s future likelihood of abusing drugs such as cocaine etc. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), part of the National Institutes of Health. The study is the first to show that nicotine might prime the brain to enhance the behavioral effects of cocaine.

The modern gateway drug model is now based upon epidemiological evidence that most illicit drug users report the use of tobacco products or alcohol prior to illicit hard-drug use.

Both alcohol and tobacco tend to precede cannabis use, and it is rare for those who use hard drugs to not have used alcohol or tobacco.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2012.00712.x/abstract

Marijuana's prohibition, like all other similar futile attempts at curbing "man's desire to alter his consciousness", has invariably been rooted in hate, paranoia, racism, misinformation, half-truths, and outright lies. It's your right to disagree, just try to do it factually and with less hate lies. Everyone of us has had enough time to see through, and disregard, the hate and lies we've already heard a million times. They were hate and lies then, they are hate and lies now.

malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16

Decreased Depression in Marijuana Users

Thomas F. Denson, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the California State University at Long Beach, and Mitch Earleywine, PhD, Associate Professor of Psychology at the State University of New York at Albany, wrote the following in their Apr. 2006 study titled "Decreased Depression in Marijuana Users," published in Addictive Behaviors:

"Those who consume marijuana occasionally or even daily have lower levels of depressive symptoms than those who have never tried marijuana. Specifically, weekly users had less depressed mood, more positive affect, and fewer somatic complaints than non-users. Daily users reported less depressed mood and more positive affect than non-users... Our results add to the growing body of literature on depression and marijuana and are generally consistent with a number of studies that have failed to confirm a relationship between the two after controlling for relevant variables...

The potential for medical conditions to contribute to spurious links between marijuana and greater depression requires further investigation."

No Loss of Motivation in Marijuana users:

"Laboratory studies provide additional information on the causal relationship between motivation and marijuana. The Mendelson experiment, where hospitalised volunteers worked on an operant task to earn money and marijuana for 26 days, found that the dose of marijuana smoked did not influence the amount of work done by either the casual-user group or the heavy-user group; all remained motivated to earn and take home a significant amount of money in addition to the work they did for the marijuana. It seems clear that marijuana does not cause a loss of motivation."

—Mendelson, H.H., Kuehnle, J.C., Greenberg, I., & Mello, N.K. (1976). The effects of marihuana use on human operant behavior: Individual data. In M.C. Broude & S. Szara (eds.), _Pharmacology of marihuana_, vol. 2(pp. 643-653). New York: Academic Press.

malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16

Health concerns regarding marijuana tend to come from a self-fueling group of discredited scientists funded by the pharmaceutical, prison, tobacco, and alcohol industries. They push non-peer-reviewed papers, fraught with conjecture and confounding variables, while relying upon reports issued by others in their own group to further support their own grossly misleading research and clearly biased agendas.

The Duke University (New Zealand) study, the one which claimed that smoking marijuana in your teens leads to a long-term drop in IQ, has since been utterly rebuked by a new paper, published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that examined the research and found its methodology to be flawed. 

Source: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/actually_pot_may_not_lower_iq_after_all/

Here is a recent peer-reviewed Study proving that Marijuana is not linked with Long Term Cognitive Impairment:

Amy M. Schreiner of the Department of Psychology at the University of Central Florida recently led a study that looked at 33 existing meta-analyses of cognitive impairment experienced by heavy cannabis users. Schreiner was unable to provide evidence of long-lasting impairment. Specifically, the participants demonstrated no significant cognitive deficiencies once the intoxication period ended. Additionally, Schreiner found no symptoms of impairment in the individuals who had abstained for 25 days. In conclusion she said, "These results fail to support the idea that heavy cannabis use may result in long-term, persistent effects on neuropsychological functioning."

Reference:

Schreiner, A. M., Dunn, M. E. (2012). residual effects of cannabis use on neurocognitive performance after prolonged abstinence: A meta-analysis. Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology. Advance online publication. doi: 10.1037/a0029117

malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16

Here is a list of 25 studies showing that marijuana cures cancer, categorized by the type of cancers being cured in each study.  Note that the consistent theme between them is that marijuana shrinks tumors and selectively targets cancer cells. 


Cures Brain Cancer 

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v95/n2/abs/66032..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11479216 

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/21/17/6475.abstra..

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/308/3/838.ab..

http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/10/1/90.abstra..


Cures Mouth and Throat Cancer 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20516734 


Cures Breast Cancer 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20859676 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18025276 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21915267 

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/early/2006/0..

http://www.molecular-cancer.com/content/9/1/196 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22776349 

http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8375.full.pdf+ht... 


Cures Lung Cancer 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198381?dopt=Abstract 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21097714?dopt=Abstract 

http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v27/n3/abs/12106..


Cures Uterine, Testicular, and Pancreatic Cancers 

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabi..

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/66/13/67..


Cures Prostate Cancer 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12746841?dopt=Abstract 

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v101/n6/abs/6605..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3339795/?tool=pubmed 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22594963 


Cures Colorectal Cancer 

http://gut.bmj.com/content/54/12/1741.abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22231745 


Cures Ovarian Cancer 

http://www.aacrmeetingabstracts.org/cgi/content/abstract/2006/1/1084?maxtoshow&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT&fulltext=cannabinoid&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=560&resourcetype=HWCIT 


Cures Blood Cancer 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

sweetcookies3333
sweetcookies3333

science and economics? lol, you could have god and everything else on your side, it doesn't matter....

you don't have the greatest plant, and you don't have me...

and you are losing quicker then conservative christians....lol, 60% on my side, wow

sweetcookies3333
sweetcookies3333

the greatest plant in the universe is almost free, LET FREEDOM RING

from 0 states to my great state 20 years ago and now half the country, marijuana is revolutionizing the globe....you're only 20 years behind us MO, that is so sad, scary too

america is not free, not at all

AMERICA'S WAR ON DRUGS IS A WAR ON AMERICANS!!

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

Marijuana Consumption Doesn't Necessarily Negatively Impact Your Health

 A research team from Boston Medical Center (BMC) and Boston University School of Medicine (BUSM) examined the effect of marijuana consumption on a person’s overall health status and use of health care services.

"Even though we could not compare marijuana users to those who used no drugs at all, our findings suggest that marijuana use has little measurable effect on self-reported health or healthcare utilization in adults using drugs identified in a primary care clinic," explained Daniel Fuster, M.D., lead author of the study.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/marijuana-consumption-doesnt-necessarily-negatively-impact-your-health-258163


kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

"We believe that we have more than enough science and economics on our side to prove our point."

I'd like to see the drug war piggies try to make the case that marijuana prohibition has reduced supply or demand.  I'd also like to see how they can justify the ban on non-drug industrial hemp or prove that marijuana has no medical uses.

"The global supply of illicit drugs had likely not been reduced in the last two decades, the study said, and the availability of cannabis and opiates like heroin may even have increased.

"These findings suggest that expanding efforts at controlling the global illegal drug market though law enforcement are failing," said the paper published in the open-access journal BMJ Open.




odom602
odom602

the government has known since the seventies that marijuana kills cancer, a simple google search could tell you that. 


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