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Take that Joyce Aboussie!!
why worry about cameras on streets just demand that the auto makers have tickets that automatically print in the car when ever the person speeds or parks to long- lets end there addiction to our money
To Whom it May Concern,
I received a letter claiming I committed a violation of a speeding law in the District of Columbia on 04/21/2012. As per the instructions, I am writing to plead ‘not guilty’ to this charge. Although this option is said to result in this matter going to court; it is my suggestion that the charges simply be dropped. This suggestion comes out of respect for tax payers, and my request that their hard earned money not be wasted in such proceedings. As there is no evidence of my involvement with this alleged ‘crime’, as well as the fact that I am not granted my 6th amendment right to face my ‘accuser’ (a camera); I see no way the government could prove my guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I also see find no legal requirement for me to implicate someone else in this process, as it is the government’s responsibility to prove a person’s guilt. It is also my 5th amendment right to remain silent on the matter.
If it is the government’s decision to move forward in this matter, I would request copies of any evidence the prosecution may have of my involvement in the “offense”; as well as, all maintenance records for the camera(s) involved.
United States Army Veteran
Drivers: We hate cyclists, they break the law!
Drivers: We hate red light cameras, they catch us when we break the law!
I heard the entire state of Missouri is reconsidering the red light tickets, St. Louis might have the state on its side.
On February 4 I was hit due to a guy running a red light. I wish there was a camera to catch him because it would make the insurance drama go faster.
I saw two cars today run red lights, so much for safety of law abiding citizens.
That's a relief. They go off for (legal!) right turns all the time.
So did the Missouri Eastern District Court of Appeals in Jeff Brunner/Kim Moore v. City of Arnold, that was handed down in December. Ruled Rebuttable Presumption is unconstitutional (issuing to registered owner and not driver), and likely a whole host of other issues which they remanded to back to Circuit. Here is the ED Opinion Summary: https://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=68426
I would rather sit in jail than pay a cam ticket. Can the courts prove video and pics of my car were not electronically altered? Or prove I was driving the car at that time? Too many issues with it being a cam instead of a live cop who witnessed the event and got proof of license and insurance etc.
Hope St. Charles is next.
I bet we have Jesse Irwin to thank for this!!
St. Paul ruled it unconstitutional recently. Arizona did also. Now St. Louis. Good stuff.
This is the same City who up until she "retired" the City Attorney was Patty Hagmann, who is married to ATS Employee Ed Rhode (who is Slays fmr PR guy, and now Steve Stenger in Stl. Co's PR Guy). She had to do every underhanded move she could since she had a direct financial conflict in the ordinance continuing. If the systems were shut down, it could hurt Ed's compensation.
Aboussie and the Good Ol' Boys in STL make almost a 10% cut, do not forget that. It goes straight into their political machine.
ATS is owned by Goldman Sachs Private Equity, what do you expect? The most disgusting thing however is that Joyce Aboussie makes almost 10% of ATS Missouri revenue via a consultancy agreement, which she then "invests" into Slay and others in the St. Raymonds crew to continue to control the city.
So, it is anecdotal then? Please post these statistics so that all can see them from your NSO. Sorry if I do not take your word on this, having actually seen the real numbers. Just very interesting in how they spun them to convince you there was somehow a decrease of anything.
whoooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooo (throwing confetti !!!)
That would be a great idea. Real police.
I got a camera ticket gir going thru a light at 17 mph. Seriously? I can't even MAKE my car go 17 mph!! I was bring waved thru an intersection at Skinker during construction. I fought it !
They never were legally able to in the first place
Lol bud it is St .louis, a police officer policing, smh, lol
The upside to red light cameras was that it made people think before intentionally crossing into the intersection and blocking traffic! So many times Ive sat thru green lights because the intersection was blocked.
so are the 2 i just got from making a right on red null and void...
They'll just plant cops at those lights 24 hours a day. They will find a way to keep that revenue.
Why don't you go ahead and have our NSO post those statistics to one of the websites our neighborhood uses. I cannot find one thing that substantiates your claim.
Then why have them????
Well what about the Dbags in Hazelwood??? Can we shut that down too? These towns are suppose to belong to the people. Let the people decide if they need cameras. Not the idiots in government.
City run by lawyers...
American Traffic Solutions has received 8.3 million dollars, they put them up and collect the cash... good deal right?
Sounds like the Grand/44 intersection and street along SLU should be redesigned... where is SLU leadership? This is about dollars, not safety, or else American Traffic Solutions would donate their cut to improve the streetscape for students to travel safely.
And tickets we were given illegally
Agreed but thats another whole issue.....
Safety is never an excuse to violate Constitutional rights.. I do sympathize with you.. but that is one of those scenarios where a red light cam is not needed.. good old fashion police presence at that intersection would do the trick just fine.. and it would spare us all from being punished for the actions of a few.
My lawyer told me throw them away ive got 3. 2 of which my employee was driving one of our trucks. That was 2 years ago never heard anymore about them. Just a money thing. But as lordthomas was saying it does curve speeder and light runners. I think they should use them just for the hit and run evidence. being is their already there.
Do we get a refund for the thousands of lights that were installed?
And as a member of the neighborhood assoc our NSO provides those numbers
Yes I live at Grand and 44 and can watch it from my dining room window.
Good. They did this in LA too. They found out they cause more accidents than they try and prevent.
This is sad as there has been so many accidents and deaths at the red lights at 44 and grand where people have run the lights killing SLU students and hospital employees..... ever since they went into effect there is minimal people running lights....People speeding down Grand at 60MPH to save 2 minutes at a light and then killing someone is a joke.... These red light cameras have curtailed that behavior.
they tried to avoid the injunction by dismissing the tickets of the people bringing suit. Dirty tricks St. louis. Didn't work
The most disgusting part of these Red Light Cameras is that American Traffic Solutions collections MILLIONS of StL dollars... which proves it's all about the DOLLAR not safety.
Next, the Courts should issue orders requiring these Cities and Municipalities to fully refund the un-Constitutional fines they extorted from motorists with these Red-Light Robber cameras. What's that ? A percentage of the fines went to the camera's manufacturers ? Tough....let the corrupt elected officials who put these things in place and who got wined and dined by the camera's salesmen figure out how to recoup those funds.
@billj598 Perhaps Joyce Aboussie can help Slay pay it back. She pockets almost 10% of ATS's Missouri revenues via a consultancy agreement.