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St. Louis Archdiocese Condemns Gay Marriage, Lectures Everyone But Catholic Church on Sex

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The pillars of morality at the St. Louis Archdiocese are not pleased with all this gay-marriage stuff happening in the city.

One day after Mayor Francis Slay granted marriage licenses to four gay couples, the archdiocese released a statement expressing its disappointment over two things church leaders are not exactly famous for knowing much about: getting married and same-sex relationships that consist of consenting adults.

"It is disheartening to see our wonderful city, named after the great Catholic civil leader St. King Louis IX, so eagerly cast aside the laws of our state and disregard the laws of nature," the statement says. "The fact is, the union of two men or the union of two women is not the same as the union of a woman and a man."

That's pretty standard language from a Christian organization condemning gay rights, but the statement gets a little weirder:

"Loving a person does not mean accepting all their behaviors. The Church does not condemn individuals for having same-sex attraction. Persons who struggle with same-sex attraction must be loved with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. At the same time, the Catholic faith teaches that all people are called to responsibility regarding sexuality -- whether they are homosexual or heterosexual, priest or lay person. Part of that responsibility means understanding that sex is to be reserved for marriage, and that marriage between a man and a woman is the only kind of union from which children can come."

Maybe this reporter is reading too much into the statement, but are these words really a subtle explanation for Archbishop Robert Carlson's recent controversy over his statements about "not remembering" when he learned pedophilia was a crime when he was involved in the cover-up of a priest who admitted to molesting children in Minnesota back in the '80s?

See also: Archbishop Robert J. Carlson Can't Remember If He Knew Raping Kids Is a Crime

When the archdiocese says, "Persons who struggle with same-sex attraction must be loved with respect, compassion, and sensitivity," they could be referring to the happy couples who got married and appear to be excelling rather than "struggling." But given the word choice, it seems more appropriate that they would be referring to priests who "struggle" with their attraction to children.

And the idea that those who "struggle" with their sexuality should be dealt with "respect, compassion, and sensitivity" sounds like how the Catholic Church has dealt with priests accused of child molestation: Instead of calling the police, the church simply prays extra hard for the accused priest and -- like Carlson did for a pedophile priest in Minnesota -- send him to a retreat in New Mexico where he get some fresh air, say a few extra Hail Marys and Our Fathers, and then, fully repented and cured of the influence of Satan, go back to work around kids again.

See also: Archbishop Carlson: My "I Can't Remember" Comments Were Just Taken Out of Context

That would explain the next line in the statement: "The Catholic faith teaches that we are defined by something far deeper than sexual orientation: we are defined by our identity as children of God."

The question must be asked: Who is the archdiocese really referring to here?

And what moral legitimacy does a beleaguered organization like the Catholic Church have, anyways?

"The Catholic Church was founded by a perfect God and left in the hands of imperfect people," Gabe Jones, spokesman for the St. Louis Archdiocese, tells Daily RFT. "The actions of a small group of individuals, while reprehensible and sinful, does not change the truth of the teachings of the Church itself. The moral authority of the Church is not derived from men or women, but from God and the natural law which He so wonderfully created."

Read the whole statement in its entirety below:


ST. LOUIS - The Archdiocese of St. Louis is disappointed in the decision by the City of St. Louis to grant civil marriage licenses to four same sex couples on Wednesday night. It is disheartening to see our wonderful city, named after the great Catholic civil leader St. King Louis IX, so eagerly cast aside the laws of our state and disregard the laws of nature. The fact is, the union of two men or the union of two women is not the same as the union of a woman and a man.

Loving a person does not mean accepting all their behaviors. The Church does not condemn individuals for having same-sex attraction. Persons who struggle with same-sex attraction must be loved with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. At the same time, the Catholic faith teaches that all people are called to responsibility regarding sexuality -- whether they are homosexual or heterosexual, priest or lay person. Part of that responsibility means understanding that sex is to be reserved for marriage, and that marriage between a man and a woman is the only kind of union from which children can come.

The Catholic faith teaches that we are defined by something far deeper than sexual orientation: we are defined by our identity as children of God. We agree with Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI when he said, 'Every human being is loved by God the Father. No one need feel forgotten, for every name is written in the Lord's loving heart.' We encourage Catholics and all people of faith to pray that our culture will grow in the love of God, and that our actions and laws will respect the laws of nature and its creator.

See also: Archbishop Robert Carlson: Old Files Shed Light on Long History of Handling Sex Abuse Scandals

E-mail him at Ray.Downs@RiverfrontTimes.com.

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JuneAnnette
JuneAnnette

The RC “church” should not vainly imagine they occupy some “moral high ground”!   As their pope said recently . .

Pope Francis says hypocrisy undermines Church's credibility

Reuters | Updated: April 15, 2013

"Inconsistency on the part of pastors and the faithful between what they say and what they do, between word and manner of life, is undermining the Church's credibility," the pontiff said in his homily.


GLARING examples of HYPOCRISY:

Nienstedt under scrutiny for same-sex relationships, ex-official says


Source: Pioneer Press - MINNESOTA / Posted: 07/01/2014 / Updated: 07/02/2014 \

Link: http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26069307/archbishop-nienstedt-under-scrutiny-same-sex-relationships-ex

Archbishop John Nienstedt is being investigated for inappropriate sexual behavior with adult males, according to former archdiocese official Jennifer Haselberger.

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Church 'guilty of hypocrisy on gay rights' / Gerry Braiden, Senior reporter / Tuesday 5 March 2013 

Source: Herald-Scotland

Link: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/church-guilty-of-hypocrisy-on-gay-rights.20412440

THE Catholic Church is guilty of double standards for denouncing homosexuality as a disorder while knowing many of its priests and trainees at its seminaries were gay, a Scots-based Vatican adviser has warned.


John Haldane, a professor of philosophy at St Andrews University and a leading commentator on Scottish Catholic affairs, said the Cardinal Keith O'Brien scandal was a challenge for the church to reform. The process, he added, should include cutting the number of dioceses north of the Border by 50%.

Scott Parkinson
Scott Parkinson

Robert Haynes, not sure where you read it's ok to "rape children." Like I said EVERY demographic in every walk of life has it's bad apples. So are you saying all Catholics are bad because several priests have done bad things? If so does that mean if anyone named Robert Haynes has broken the law there all bad? There are plenty of "Robert Haynes" out there who have been pretty bad... https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/nameSearch.do

Robert Haynes
Robert Haynes

So rapping children is ok, only if you provide shelter to abused women?

Robert Haynes
Robert Haynes

Maybe they should follow there own rules for once.

Jeanette Willer
Jeanette Willer

I gave up church for lent several years ago for many reasons. If they are truly Catholics, what do they know about sex?

Tim Corkill
Tim Corkill

They house most of the sex offenders here in webster groves missourah..Can i get a amen

moron
moron

The Archbishops statement is directly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.  If you choose to disagree with it, fine.  But please respect their position.

William Vander Pluym
William Vander Pluym

Per capita, more teachers molests kids than priests, so all you degenerate parents who send your kids to school shouldbe ashamed of yourselves.

Patrick Hinchcliff
Patrick Hinchcliff

Yea the Catholic Church is pretty much nothing more than a cult now.

Scott Shoemaker
Scott Shoemaker

The statement is the sane as it has been forever. I'm not catholic. I don't won't to be. That's my choice. If you don't agree don't join or be a part of it. Seems simple enough to me.

Rasshad Ahmad
Rasshad Ahmad

Sex shouldn't even be a issue in church especially Catholic church

William Vander Pluym
William Vander Pluym

Per capita, there are more teachers molesting kids than priests. So all you degenerate parents who send your kids to school should be ashamed of yourselves.

snapjudy
snapjudy topcommenter

Carlson has completely lost all credibility in every word he says. Why does he think he can get away throwing his weight around when he can't even remember his own lies?
He constantly contradicts himself. His words and actions regarding innocent children from being sexually abused by his clerics is beyond making any sense.
The clergy abuse victims who suffer are the ones who need love and compassion, yet he treats them like dirt, as we are also seeing in his handling of the Fr Jiang sex abuse case here in St Louis

Until bishops are demoted, disciplined, and held accountable for their crimes of enabling child predators and spending more time and money protecting themselves, nothing has changed and children are still not safe within this system.
Sex abuse thrives in secrecy and secret systems that allow it to continue to this day.
Silence is not an option anymore, it only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others
Judy Jones, SNAP,  Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests
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Sharon Walker
Sharon Walker

Of course every demographic is guilty.....but no one else gets to hide behind the robes of the church and be immune from the law. The Catholic Church is actively protecting these baby raping Priests. It's sick.

Sharon Walker
Sharon Walker

Their words mean nothing. The Catholic Church should worry more about the baby rapers they protect as Priests... and less about what other folks are doing. I will listen to NOTHING the Catholic church has to say until they flush those monsters/priests out and fully expose them to the law for what they are and for what they have done . Anyone who takes their child to a Catholic Church consciously puts their child at risk for molestation. The Catholic church has become a safe haven for criminal monsters who prey on kids.

Jim Phillips
Jim Phillips

There needs to be somebody in our government that has the will to take this institution on in an criminal investigation for their role in aiding and abetting pedophiles.

Timothy Coleman
Timothy Coleman

The Catholic Church had no Moral Authority from which to speak from. Just examine their history from Origin to Present. How can they Assume any pretense of Moral Authority?

Amy Denby Clark
Amy Denby Clark

Ah yes, the "struggle" of same-sex attraction. HA HA, ARCHDIOCESE, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH.

Jim Marciano
Jim Marciano

I wonder if the church knows this is legal... they forget alot

Scott Parkinson
Scott Parkinson

I am neither Catholic or Gay nor does it matter. But hasn't EVERY demographic in this country done bad things? YES, so put your stone down. What I do know about the Catholic church are the thousands in this city they help day in and day out. The Catholic church (and other denominations) provides a sanctuary for abused women to stay and live as well as the homeless and jobless. The church also has numerous food pantries throughout St. Louis. They also provide services for low income seniors adults along with many other charitable services. (Shhh, they even provide those services to gays!) So stop pointing your fingers people, you want acceptance and tolerance then GIVE acceptance and tolerance.

Seth McKinney
Seth McKinney

My issue is with the attacks on the priests and them being all lumped together as if they're all child molesters. How is lumping them all together any different than lumping all gay men together and saying they're 1)child molesters and support NAMBLA, 2)all of them are promiscuous, and 3) all of them are effeminate. People are good, but there are also bad people. Unfortunately the free will of the "bad" people negatively reflects on those that are genuinely good.

Mark Alan
Mark Alan

I'm boycotting pride & Catholics this year!

Jim Thompson
Jim Thompson

Is that not THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK??? Priests feeling up little altarboys? How about condemning pedophilia, or is that just a bit too close to home?

Seth McKinney
Seth McKinney

The fact that once it was brought to the attention of the authorities and is being harshly dealt with speaks volumes. Think about the everyday laity and non-religious that do the same thing and when it is brought to public attention it's dismissed and covered up and the accusers are deemed liars by their families and society that think, "Oh, he could never do that." Furthermore, when it is "dealt with" the sentences are nothing but a slap on the wrist.

Matt Thomas
Matt Thomas

Awwww. Look at the Catholic church pretending to be morally relevant. How cute are they?

Austin Lyons
Austin Lyons

Seth, you'd be right, if they weren't such a systemic problem, both the actual rapes and the subsequent cover ups.

Stephanie Thorsten
Stephanie Thorsten

Oh, so condemning Gay marriage is wrong, but molesting and raping kids is acceptable? I don't think so!!!

Seth McKinney
Seth McKinney

Just because imperfect people did deplorable things 1)the molestation of the children, and 2) the imperfect that tried to cover it up, doesn't define the Church as a whole. My thoughts are this: if the Church, better yet, the Vatican wanted it covered up the world would've never heard about it. http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=56006

Joe Harman
Joe Harman

The Lord has commanded us to love our neighbors, that means if you are gay, straight or whatever else. But we should not love sin. Be advised that just because you commit a sexual act that would be sinful, it is not a greater a sin than stealing or lying. We are all sinners There is nothing prideful about about committing a sin, and I question if we should be having pride in that sin that is committed. Also, does pride ever get us anywhere? " the more pride one had, the more one disliked pride in others. In fact, if you want to find out how proud you are the easiest way is to ask yourself, 'How much do I dislike it when other people snub me, or refuse to take any notice of me, or shove their oar in, or patronize me, or show off?'" - C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity Cs Lewis

Norma Cole Sosko
Norma Cole Sosko

Hmmmm..... oh im sorry. Two consenting adults of the same sex cant get married, but its ok for priests to commit sodomy n rape children? I thought you were talking about a legitimate church for a minute not the most hypocritical church on the planet. Lol

Tom Davis
Tom Davis

Try lecturing the priests about leaving little boys alone...

Josh Hall
Josh Hall

Who fucking cares what they think!!

Scott Hoffmann
Scott Hoffmann

Meanwhile they hide child rapists and fondlers, praise god

skibrs
skibrs

How can Carlson possibly think he is the moral voice for St Louis? 

JuneAnnette
JuneAnnette

Rome's claim of papal rule over Christ's church is based upon fraudulent and forged documents!

Examine the evidence for yourself . . .

Source: Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Link: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc2.v.xv.v.html

From the Book: 'History of the Christian Church, Volume II: Ante-Nicene Christianity. A.D. 100-325.' / Author: Schaff, Philip (1819-1893)

(Article is complete with verifiable sources / citations)

EXCERPT:

“The name of Clement has been forged upon several later writings, both orthodox and heretical, to give them the more currency by the weight of his name and position.

5. Five Decretal Letters, which pseudo-Isidore has placed at the head of his collection. Two of them are addressed to James, the Lord’s Brother, are older than the pseudo-Isidore, and date from the second or third century; the three others were fabricated by him. They form the basis for the most gigantic and audacious literary forgery of the middle ages—the Isidorian Decretals—which subserved the purposes of the papal hierarchy.”

The Roman Catholic “church” has no legitimate basis to support their claim of being Christ's church and most certainly is not Christ's Church!

JuneAnnette
JuneAnnette

The unholy Roman Catholic "church" has zero moral legitimacy!

MORE IMPORTANTLY, the Roman Catholic “church” has no legitimate basis to support their claim of being Christ's church!

Former Roman Catholic and convert to Christ, William Webster has written a timely article entitled:
Forgeries and the Papacy - The Historical Influence and Use of Forgeries in Promotion of the Doctrine of the Papacy / By William Webster / Source: christiantruth.com /

Link: http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/forgeries.html

(Article is complete with verifiable sources / citations)

EXCERPT:

“The historical facts reveal that the papacy was never a reality as far as the universal Church is concerned. There are many eminent Roman Catholic historians who have testified to that fact as well as to the importance of the forgeries, especially those of Pseudo-Isidore. One such historian is Johann Joseph Ignaz von Döllinger. He was the most renowned Roman Catholic historian of the last century, who taught Church history for 47 years as a Roman Catholic. He makes these important comments:

In the middle of the ninth century—about 845—there arose the huge fabrication of the Isidorian decretals...About a hundred pretended decrees of the earliest Popes, together with certain spurious writings of other Church dignitaries and acts of Synods, were then fabricated in the west of Gaul, and eagerly seized upon Pope Nicholas I at Rome, to be used as genuine documents in support of the new claims put forward by himself and his successors.
That the pseudo–Isidorian principles eventually revolutionized the whole constitution of the Church, and introduced a new system in place of the old—on that point there can be no controversy among candid historians.”

Source: (Johann Joseph Ignaz von Döllinger, The Pope and the Council (Boston: Roberts, 1870), pp. 76-77, 79, 115-116).


OldManRaynor
OldManRaynor

@moron There's no reason to respect their position when it has in the past condoned slavery, genocide, and violence against infractions of their "moral law," and continues to cover up atrocities against innocent human beings. Their entire premise is laughable when you consider that there are stars we can see with the naked eye that are further away than they suggest the cosmos is old. Again- no, I don't have to respect their position when they've already gotten so many fundamental concepts wrong.

JuneAnnette
JuneAnnette

You sir would do well to prayerfully consider the words Thomas Patrick Doyle, RC priest & Victim's Advocate who has also distinguished himself as an outspoken critic of the response of the RCC's hierarchy to clergy abuse allegations . . and I quote . .

"Sexual abuse of the vulnerable by clergy has been a shameful aspect of Catholic culture for centuries. Church defenders claim it has always been a minuscule percentage of the clerical population, but the numbers are irrelevant. What is urgent and destructive has been the way the Church leadership, from the papacy on down to local bishops, have responded. “For the good of the Church” victims have been ignored, silenced and rebuffed, and criminal offenders have been quietly sent off to new assignments, often to offend again. “For the good of the Church” those harmed by the clergy have been led to cooperate in their own exploitation, convinced by their trusted leaders that the institution’s image and the exalted status of the priests is of greater value than healing or justice. Though other institutions, public and private, religious and secular, have all experienced sexual abuse and other forms of internal corruption, the Catholic Church is unique. It has used its immense spiritual power and its absolute authority to control victims to the extent of persuading them to be part of their own cover-up."

Article: THE POPE, THE CHURCH & SEXUAL ABUSE: A PERSPECTIVE / by Thomas P. Doyle, J.C.D., C.A.D.C. / April 1, 2010

Link: http://awrsipe.com/Doyle/2010/2010-04-01-perspective.htm

JuneAnnette
JuneAnnette

You are either woefully uninformed or willfully ignorant. In TRUTH the unholy Roman Catholic "church" has taken great pains to cover up the SCANDALOUS crimes of her clerics and have consistently placed the reputation of their "church" above the welfare of children!  If it weren't for the press, these matters would still be shrouded in secrecy! 

Beginning with the Pulitzer Prize winning expose by the Boston Globe in 2002, and up until the present time, it is the media which has brought these matters to light.  We owe them a huge debt of gratitude for the accurate,comprehensive and in-depth coverage they have given us in these ongoing SCANDALS that continue to unfold in real time within the unhallowed halls of the Roman Catholic “church”.  The intense scrutiny the press has given to these matters has afforded the public a glimpse inside the inner workings of this diabolical organization allowing both Catholic and non-Catholic alike a basis on which to assess the viability, legitimacy and credibility of the Roman Catholic “church as a religious institution, which increasingly bears more of a resemblance to organized crime. 

Roman Catholicism is not CHRIST's CHURCH!

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