Update: Attorney for Camp Zoe Calls Property Seizure "Fundamentally Unfair"

This may be more than it looks like, Camp Zoe is in the middle of what the Federal Government is wanting as the "Ozarks Highland National Heritage Area", another attempt to take private property from people. :(

Some of you might remember hearing about; The Wild and Scenic Rivers Act, The Natural Streams Act, the FEMA Hazard Mitigation plan, the United Nations ”Man in the Biosphere” designation, Scenic Byways designations, and now, the Ozarks Highlands National Heritage Area. All of which have been the Feds trying to take property here alone, not to mention all the others places in America. Read more on this at http://ozarkspropertyrightscon...

Why has our federal government been spending so much time and effort investigating and now shutting down what is essentially a music festival? On the website for the festival it specifically states "no drugs", so how can the federal government say "knowingly opened, rented, leased, used, or maintained for the purpose of manufacturing, distributing or using controlled substances."? If they say this about Schwagstock and Spookstock, then shouldn't they just be shutting down every single concert and music festival? The sole purpose of the festival is MUSIC, if individuals coming to see live music decide to bring drugs to sell of use that hardly constitutes as as a place designed specifically for manufacturing, selling, and using drugs. I have attended Schwagstock and found it to be a very peaceful environment and NOT a criminal one. So once again I ask, why is our federal government spending so much time, effort, and YOU THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY on something that has no other goal than to incarcerate good people? It seems to me that this is the United States government is just out to make money off of ruining lives and, to me, that sounds more criminal than using drugs. I think it defeats the purpose of arresting someone for using drugs if the criminal penalty is more damaging (and more costly to the taxpayer) than the use of the drug itself. One final question: If the government is committing crimes against its own people (hmmmm Iraq under Saddam Hussein?) who will step in and prosecute THEM? Will it take another country to invade us against the UN's orders to straighten this country's disgustingly pathetic justice system? America was found on the right to live by your own morals as long as you don't hurt anyone (Native Americans didn't get hurt by the founders of this country did they...hmmm) and I simply do not see the harm being done, well with the exception of the harm that has been done to people's lives from being arrested for not having the same moral beliefs as those in power. But it doesn't seem to matter how many questions are asked or how much evidence of the federal government's incompetence to serve it's people (oh yeah did they forget that they work for us, we are supposed to be a democracy, by the people for the people) is presented, the people in power will only do three things deny deny deny (which was O.J. Simpson's strategy, wait, isn't he a criminal?). WE NEED REAL CHANGE, AN ENTIRE CLEAN SLATE WHERE LAWS ARE BASED ON FACTS, LOGIC, AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT, NOT WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE MOST PROFITABLE FOR THE ALREADY RICH AND POWERFUL.

I am just so disapointed that nothing has really changed since the 60s/70s the government still has that power that does NO GOOD!

As a legal separate business that operated at Camp Zoe, MO. I constantly asked Joe Grasso and anyone in charge of Camp Zoe, MO, to please stop the felony selling of anything and everything. Their reply was, "SO". This post is partially right. What took so long? I tried many times reporting to law enforcement and Liquor Control for help. They would never help. Never. Why? Yes, Jimmy Tebeau is a musician, but he trusted his accountant to take care of tax issues. Like "Willie Nelson" and many other people that have accountants, they trusted their accountants to take care of them legally as the law allowed. My accountant did his job above and beyond. (Not Jimmy Tebeau's accountant), I paid for taxes for my business sales, taxes of things I did not even know what the tax was for? I ran my business as if I was going to be audited by the IRS. Jimmy Tebeau, allowed people to run his campground, because he can not do it all. He never handled any money. He trusted people to take care of the land and accounting. These people knew they were breaking the law, and did nothing. Jimmy Tebeau tried all the time to have them fix it, it never happened. He asked local law enforcement for help, and offered them high paying jobs, they refused. Yes, 4 years is horrible tax dollars wasted. You can try to defend Camp Zoe, MO and Jimmy Tebeau all you want. The truth is, the only ones defending Zoe and Jimmy, are the ones, that were breaking the law on Camp Zoe, MO your self. It is every persons selfish part, on Camp Zoe, MO property, that you on purpose, knowingly broke the law your self. You knew you were breaking the law, and you knew no one would stop you from breaking the law.

All this hoopla over a narcissisistic and selfish person who once had a larger-than-life-sized picture of himself over his own bed.(Ask anyone who ever went to his house on Mt Plesant, they have all seen it.)Ask any of the countless musicians who he screwed over if they give a rat's patootie;or ask the musicians he fired by just not showing up for a gig & not telling them or the venue.Look who he's playing with now-JGB-it fits him perfectly.To name yourself the Jerry Garcia Band after he's dead is a very special kind of pathetic.Can't make it on your own musical merits, not much there to work with.Very Lame.

Hey yo anonymous ur a pussy. Say ur name. Zoe is not just a place to do or purchase drugs. Zoe is 350 acres of beautifull land worth over 600000 dollars! $$$ that is all the police of the state highway/water patrol and shannon county police have in mind. I have been to over 10 festivals at camp zoe and it is my home away from home. It is not right what the goverment is doing to zoe or jimmy.

how do u know jimmy is a molester did he molest u i wouldnt advertise if so.. idiot u just wanted to run ur mouth. i luv zoe. im gonna do what i can to support them its awsome how many r supporting them now. whoever writes dumb shit must b workin for the pigs. im not affraid of the gov. even if they threaten to gag n bag me. after all death is only an illusion.

imagine that the government people are taken something else from us.... oh well bring it on were ready for a fight. power to the people not the people in uniforms. im donating my taxes to them. power to swag

Shwagstock may be full of others breaking the law- but is that all jimmys fault?Millions of people are doing drug deals in the parkinglot of shop and save right now- but will the cops shut the store down?of course not. Its the individuals choice.THis is a place of peace and relaxation.ONe of the very few places where I can honestly say is a humble happy place.Taking this from all of those who love and are devoted to shwag would be like taking away a peice of the happiness.Let's all do what we can.Go to their website and donate 5, 10, 20, it doesn't matter.Help keep the one last peaceful place on earth the way it is!

through the anals of time stories have been told of circumstsnces similar to these when the mass public is told by their goverments we have a better way while leading them into mass conflicts with other countries then theirown goverment and even with themselves.it always starts with their interpetation of what they believe and not the masses' the same propaganda techniqueswere used by adolph hitler. joseph stalin and every fascist dictator since the beginning of timestand up and be counted take a stand if not for camp zoe for ourselves this is how it all starts they test the waters to see what they can get away with .and they take it further and further until we are a military state we have done lost a major foothold when george w. passed the patriot act its somewhat ironic when the president who passed the patriot act .is actually the grandson of prescott bush the man who was tried and convicted in ww2 for profeteering off the nazi war party fact.

time and time again its the same old story. the goverment takes what they want when they want. totally sidestepping the constitution doing what they want too because they believe that they are the annointed ones andthat for some reason they now better than our fore fathers did. in totally slapping the face of our american troops who died for those rights. when are we going to join together and get off our complacant butts and stand up and say no more . it is not ok to attack the people of our country .seize our properties impede on our rights becausethey feel like it . we need to join together before we are hearded like cattle and shoved off the cliff of life that we call the american way.

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Yeah, I guess you are correct, the people in charge want this (for now they do)(but lets wait and see how they feel when they come for their land) and the sheople who are too stoopid to do anything but play video games can not be bothered with trivial concepts like siezue without any crimminal charges being filed.

I remember when people used to at least poo-poo as wacko conspiracy theory the New World Order, now everyone just accepts it as fact.

Here is an intersting article about the truth of drugs in the country now known as Ameriprisonca.

http://www.kcconfidential.com/...

"Who wants to live a country/socoiety where they can steal your property? It is hard to believe the cops involved want these rules."

We already DO! And, YES, the cops involved want these rules! This story has been played out hundreds of times all over the USA.The easy money and property is the main incentive for all types of law enforcement.Where have you been for the last 20+ years?

Welcome to the New World Order.You can come willingly or in chains, your choice.

I went to youtube and looked up Camp Zoe expecting to see hundreds of videos of drugged out losers made by fed up local people. Guess what, no such videos. Maybe the drug scene there was highly exaggerated?

jimmy had dreaded pubic hair and an uncircumcised johnson. How do i know this? all the hot man on man action that went on in the woods and bathrooms by his house at camp zoe. The gloryhole was top notch. I always assumed it was jimmy on the other side when i stuck my wang through the hole. I could smell his body odor wafting through the next stall. Must have been jimmy. Where will we go for the hot gay action now? So many laods of sperms dropped on that dudes face. long live the tree huggerz and flamers.

I don't care for the schwag but I love the dead so regaurdless if they're good or not - they have good intensions and a lot people care about that.

I don't go for the music, nor do I go for any drug.. but I do go for a garuntee camp spot next to a BEAUTIFUL RIVER with full access to the water at any time...not to mention clean showers and clean bathrooms, with all around great people no matter who your neighbor is... now that's a camp ground you won't be able to find anywhere else in your life............. you're negative thoughts upon Camp Zoe are repulsive people

Thank you sister...It is pretty simple.The federals, local and state governments are attempting to attempting to seize land, once this is allowed it WILL NOT BE TURNED BACK AROUND.

you can say this again""PLEASE UNDERSTAND:If business owners are on the hook for any illegal activity which occurs on property whichthey own it hurts the society and economy. These laws have been used against hotel owners and other business owners.""

THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART: The same laws which can be used against Zoe can be used against you! Yes this is true.

Think of yourself, think of YOUR children as business owners of the future subjected to civil forfeiture laws with no checks and balances.

Today they say it is about drugsTomorrow it could be your speechThen it could be your attitudesThnen for no reason at all.

You dont think it can happen like that, go too far?What would stop it from happening?... you?

They are still testing these laws, it must stop now.... or else.

Who wants to live a country/socoiety where they can steal your property? It is hard to believe the cops involved want these rules.

Sometimes I just want to shake you people and tell you to wake up. A few you you are comprehending the gravity of the situation. Many others are placing value judgments on the situation (i.e.I like Zoe. It is cool. or I don't like Zoe. They are are drugs there. It is bad. Shit it down) I DON'T GIVE A FIDDLEY FEE WHAT YOUR OPINION OF SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCES OR DRUGS ARE.The fed, local and state are attempting to attempting to size land. PLEASE UNDERSTAND If business owners are on the hook for any illegal activity which occurs on property whichthey own it hurts the society and economy. These laws have been used against hotel owners and other business owners. THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART: The same laws which can be used against Zoe can be used against you! Yes this is true. So all of you who champion the cause of shutting down the hedonistic drugfest (or whatever you call it) don't get enticed by arguments invoking moral standards or 'think of the children' rhetoric. Think of yourself. Or think of the children as business owners of the future subjected to civil forfeiture laws with no checks and balances.

Dont cops like officer Dale Cook understand that their planted posts are obvious? Or are they so stupid that they think that crap works?

If laws were broken there, then why are there no charges being pressed? Why in no one under arrest?

Nope, this is not about law enforcement, this is about theft. This is about crimminal cops and other pieces of sht stealing from the public. I wonder, if Dale was not connected, and he thought these rules would be applied to him, would he agree?

If Dale Cook thought that he could lose his house for molesting his 12 year old son and raping his 14 year daughter (ongoing for 3 years now) would officer Dale aggree this was a good rule.

btw- STOP MOLESTING YOUR CHILDREN OFFICER DALE, YOU FKING PERVERTED PEDOFILE.

Another shady attorney hired by a drug dealer. You can't tell me he isn't because I've bought drug from him at Zoe. Everyone knows Zoe is the place to go to get quanity. Those roadblocks didn't work because the "family" takes the secret road.

@Go back,Be honest??? BE HONEST?????? You know nothing of honesty. Dont you even use that word, you worthless fkn crimminal pig. You are stealing property based on BS rules set up to fleece people who will not be convicted on breaking any law. Do you really want to live in a socoiety where that happens?

Your time will come you worthless parasite. In the end, you will take it in your end, and as the blazing hot burning fire is shoved up your azz you will beg for mercy, but there will be none for you because you are the worst type of scum. Fkyou and every single one of your partners in REAL CRIME, you worthless pieces of sht.

By letting people do drugs and not doing anything about it would logically encourage drug people to go to their property to do drugs. That's benefiting from drugs. Be honest, everyone knew they could openly use drugs and get drugs at Zoe. That would mean people would go there, pay their fee and do drugs. That is benefiting from drug sales. If they cracked down on drugs, do you really think they would have the crowds they get? They don't come for the music anymore.

@Go back,You fking worthless, planted, facist, cop, whoring fbi dea... whatever the fk you are.... it is so obvious that you are in on this, you are profiting from this and that stinks... I can smell your BS over the internet lines.

You fking greedy pigs using law to steal land are nothing but scumbag conartist. THIS IS A CON... A SCAM.... yes the pen is mightier than the sword, but karma rules the universe.

You worthless pigs cant get real jobs so you crimminals pose as cops and steal like that.... you piece of crap whore.

Your karma is your own and it will grab you by your nuts and they will burst feel the pain PIG... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

How did Zoe benefit from drug sales?

You people are idiots. Your defense of Camp Zoe is that people do drugs at other concerts and other venues and they don't get arrested or close those places down. You've got to be kidding me. Those other venues do not directly benefit from drug sales. Camp Zoe does. You guys are on the wrong side. Get your heads out of your ass.

I've been there and never felt like anyone was there for the music. The only time people went to the stage is when the Schwag played. Which is a mediocre cover band of an excellent cover band. It was a ghetto in the woods. And Jimmy is a douche. Hes not Jerry Garcia. And Ive also heard hes a mollester from a whole lot of people. He just isnt a registered sex offender. Thats been known since Mississippi Nights days.

Huh? said, "I am not into the drug culture and think people who are dope heads are idiots, but I think law enforcement who is in the "business" of stealing property from supposed "bad people" who wont be convicted of a crime are bigger idiots."

DAMN RIGHT I SAID THAT...AND I SAY IT AGAIN!!!! I have been watching this thread, and the news hoping this is a bad dream, and enouigh people speak out to make this not happen in our free country.

If we allow "THEM" to take porperty for drugs today, what will we allow them to do tomorroow? This is a slippery slope...

ONE LAW, FOR ALL.... EVERYONE OBEYS, NO ONE GETS AWAY WITH BREAKING IT. If that was the case then they would not create BS laws like seizure laws, be casue it might affect them too.

Unfortunatley this is not the case, a great example is the TSA bigwigs who all fly private plane (which WE pay for) and do they not have to be groped to get on a plane. Of course they are all for rules saying groping is OK, they are not affected by it.

Bad things are afoot in the USA people and we if do not we turn it around right now, things will only get worse. If we want to claim we live in a free country, then lets prove it.

ONE LAW... FOR ALL.... FAIR IS FAIR, late stop allowing some to get away with BS while others are bent over and .....

@speakthetruth: Your ignorance is depressing.

Huh? said, "I am not into the drug culture and think people who are dope heads are idiots, but I think law enforcement who is in the "business" of stealing property from supposed "bad people" who wont be convicted of a crime are bigger idiots."

Gee, I guess not everyone defending human sovereignty and creativity is a "tree hugging hippie druggy." The whole thing is a racket and you call it justice...

The Feds and DEA are the criminals, illegally seizing land and money to fund themselves instead of the schools, for example. Are those undereducated children going to grow up and get cozy careers in this eroding economy and country?

You do know the CIA has been involved in the drug trade for quite some time, no?

Just because you seem to have no knowledge of the many benefits of certain drugs (not saying all drugs are positive) and have been propagandized by the government/mass media doesn't mean the people using them don't have the right to do with themselves what they wish, as long as they harm no one else, obviously.

I say all this because it is this attitude that is allowing the federal government et al to continuously encroach upon our rights with ever-increasing haste and you are helping to perpetuate this attitude.

i think that all the peple that downgrade camp zoe have never even been there so i think people should lern a lil respect and find out facts before they go jumping to concluisions and blaming people for things they no nothing about camp zoe is the greatest so for the people that dont no about zoe shut the f--f up!!!!!!!!!

Hey Speakthetruth -

I happen to have a job, graduated from my high school with great attendance, not to mention Honors classes in all four years of Language Arts, Science and Social studies.Planning on enrolling into college once I save a bit more money to afford what school I'd like to go to - this isn't about me...

I've been to Zoe plenty of times, and I'm definitely no hippie, actually I was a cheer leader in hs for 3 years, and yes I'm a female. I'm also not a tree hugger just because I enjoy Zoe. And guess what else... every time that I've ever attended Zoe, never have I baught, sold, or taken any sort of drugs. These things you speak of are insane, wake up and get with the millenium. PEOPLE DO DRUGS EVERY WHERE ALL AROUND YOU, PUBLIC PARKS, ROCKFEST is a perfect exaple... even at HIGH SCHOOL, it's not Zoe that's the problem it's that the government and law enforcement agencies don't focus on the REAL terrible crimes that go on in the US, such as sex trafficing, LARGE CHEMICAL NARCOTIC TRAFFICING, murders, homocides, rapes ect.

SO WHY IS THE GOVERMENT SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON A BUNCH OF INNOCENT "TREE HUGGING HIPPIES" ... RIGHT???? I MEAN YOU'RE TELLIN ME!

HIPPIES NEVER HURT ANYONE OR ANYTHING IN THE 60's ... and it remains the same in 2010, PEOPLE WHO CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS SHOULD START FOCUSING THEIR ANGER MORE ON THE GOVERMENT WHO IS WASTING THE MONEY THAT WE THE PEOPLE WORK FOR ON "HIPPIES" WHO CAUSE NO HARM TO THE ENVIORNMENT WHAT SO EVER NOR ANY HARM TO ANY PERSON IN/AND/OR OUTSIDE OF ZOE - THE GOVERNMENT ALSO ISN'T REALIZING ZOE IS GOOD FOR SOUTHERN MISSOURI'S ECONOMY AS THEY BRING MONEY IN WITH THEIR MUSIC FESTIVALS AND SHOWS THAT THEY PUT ON FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST HAVEN'T QUITE FOUND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN LIFE YET....BETTER TO WASTE YOUR TIME THERE THEN TO SITTING ON YOUR COUCH WATCHING TV, WHY NOT CAMP OUTSIDE BY A CLEAR WATER RIVER AND ENJOY YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND THE CARING PEOPLE AROUND YOU???? DO YOU HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT??

BACK TO HOW ZOE IS GOOD FOR SOUTHERN MO's ECONOMY - think of all the people who drive to and from Zoe who stop at gas stations, wal-marts, other markets and stores of such things they might need for on the road and a camping trip. Once again, not any bit of harm or damage is being done to ANYONE OR ANYTHING, ANYWHERE IN OR OUT, OR AROUND ZOE....

One person did have a good point "good luck next time, just open a new property" - which could very well happen, it's just Zoe's camp grounds are so beautiful, relaxing and the perfect getaway that I doubt there could ever be a place to compare to Zoe.. not to mention the history Zoe's grounds have - for those of you who don't know, it use to be an old boys and girls summer camp property - there could maybe be a new great place but who knows if anyone could ever manage such another amazing property to allow for other people to enjoy.

I realize you all have opinions with different reasoning - but if you even remotely have any respect or love for nature, you'd never wish upon taking this place away from anyone.

I find it hilarious that all the tree hugging hippie druggies are the only ones, who are defending this place. It's not like the Feds put the drugs in your pockets, and siad, "here, do these drugs so we can bust you later". This is what happens when you break the law. Become a law abiding citizen and grow up and get a job. When you work for a living and not spend all your money and time getting high, you get more out of life. May the waves of Justice take their course. To jail you go!!!!!!

Way to go US Government. At least they are doing something to benefit the people in their own borders. Much better than spending tons of money over seas.

If you idiots didn't advertise on Facebook that NORML is there to 'make sure your car is safe' for the checkpoints up the road, openly talk in discussion about drugs, and openly advertise drug sales, the police wouldn't be sending undercovers in to collect evidence.

It's not hard to buy other land and start a new hippie club. Better luck next time.

First of all, to ever even compare the SCHWAG to... YONDER... you're an idiot. Obviously Yonder isn't going back because their name is out there now, they don't need zoe to promote them like other bands who have recently played at Zoe, perfect example - Deadman Flats this summer. Anyway Yonder is completely off subject, and for someone to even bring them up in this conversation has got to be an imbosol. So, in that matter - from someone whose from and remains a Canadian citizen but lives in Missouri, who has indeed traveled through out the US and Canada, just to name a few places for ya - BC, if your dumb enough to not know where that is - it's British Columbia, Canada - there I've been to Tofino on Victoria Island, Vancouver... all of Ontario and Alberta not to mention New York, California, Colorado - I actually just so happened to be in Denver, Molson and Boulder this summer for Yonder's Red Rocks and Ogden two night run... oh and yes I am talking about me... I'm the one that has been all of these places, but yet I live in Missouri. Hmm, so I for one CAN justify that Zoe is an INCREDIBLE place and the most PERFECT getaway spot right here in the very own MISSOURI.

You also spoke of which you watched someone roll themselves in barbwire? So why didn't you help them? Sounds to me that you've made that up. Not sure if you're aware of Zoe's medical staff during events but you sure can find them. Not only that, but your story just sounds so far fetched and cruel for one I've never even seen barbwire fencing at Zoe. - I've never seen an acticle about a death at Zoe either. Not mention, who the hell were you hanging around to get harrassed in all of those different ways? Your story to me, sounds very exaggerative and I for one have NEVER witnessed any of the such even come close to going on down there.

The people at Zoe all mean well, other wise they wouldn't have the property open to the public. Obviously they need to make some sort of profit so they have to charge for something, after all everyone doesn't mind having money but no - I highly doubt they're just in it for the money. Other wise Zoe wouldn't even be open because it's people like them, who don't care all about the money who even started something like this.

I just have too many good things to say about this place - I have never once seen anything horrific go on at Zoe, I've never seen anything but excitement, fun and warm-hearted people making memories there.

You are right about one thing though, some ass holes do still shit in the river even when they ask you not to. - But that also happens at every river, everywhere.

The place and the people who attend, cause and mean no harm to anyone or anything.

How can you honestly think to throw a concert, or a festival and no one bring drugs ???? Thats what i dont understand , the cops think zoe tells all these people to bring drugs, even though zoe post on there web sites no drugs allowed, and even searches cars , and "Says" your wrong there has only been 2 deaths at zoe, but thats only because those kids were trying to sneek in, not because of drugs, and any festival is going to have drugs, and they try to prevent it as much as they can, And its not just about money they put more money into it then they actually get

i was there when they opened zoe and let me tell ya the town it was in was small. Now its a huge place for business. What are the family's who live in that town gonna do when they have to close shop cause they aren't getting the thousands of kids in to buy their goods. Closing Zoe is gonna hurt those who reside in that town. Do you really think the Feds are gonna give those people any help? No they are gonna take the money and run. The economy is BAD everyone and closing Zoe is only gonna make it worse its ok though cause if it happens trust we will find other places to listen to music. The real nightmare is for the townspeople who rely on the money coming in every time Zoe host a show. Not to mention the Family who resides on that piece of property.

shut zoe down. maybe 5 years ago it was a place of peace and family and fun. but being there ive watched knife fights, been absalutely terrified to walk around by myself. been harrassed, verbally, saxually, been tricked, watched people too fucked up roll around in barbed wire. yes there is articles about deaths at zoe. its not just the people that are shady. its the staff. its all about money, whether you believe that or not is up to you. ive seen people try so hard to make it a cleaner place but assholes still shit in the creek. 5 years ago i saw people getting kicked out for having crack, meth, heroin, and now nobody cares as long as they pay to get in. try going to an earthdance and tell me its the same as zoe. most people that say its the most beautiful place have never been anywhere else outside of missouri, so friendly and loving. yeah maybe a tenth of the people there have good intentions but i dont think thats enough. isnt this an excellent oppertunity for someone to start a new festival? maybe a different headliner every once in a while? i wonder why bands dont come back to play zoe, and why the schwag used to have yonder one night and george clinton the next, and now its the schwag, the schwag, and the schwag....money.....this could be the end to good intentions and the start of something real and pure.

I am no hippie, I never went to camp zoe hippie fests... I dont do drugs..... I dont need any more peace and love and all that hippie stuff and I really kind of hate the Grateful dead, I dont get it. I read the ads for these schwag stocks and thought it was probably a bust like the stupid wakaruse thing in Lawrence SO I NEVER WENT....

BUT I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING BAD IN THE PRESS ABOUT CAMP ZOE EITHER... no deaths, no overdoses, no arrests.... SO WTF??!!

I am not into the drug culture and think people who are dope heads are idiots, but I think law enforcement who is in the "business" of stealing property from supposed "bad people" who wont be convicted of a crime are bigger idiots.

If some crimminal is making tons of money doing illeagl things and then buys stuff with the crime money then maybe they can sieze that, but that does not seem to be the case here. It seems they wanted this guys to be a law enforcer on his private property and because he was not...then they can take his land? WTF? FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! THEY CAN NOT DO THAT!!!!

DO THE COPS WANT THIS TO BE THE RULE APPLIED TO THEM TOO?

First they come for the dope heads... then they come for the drunks.... then they come for the "bad parents".... then they come for the cops who shoot out windows of the squad car as they gun happy shoot at the backfiring van..... then they come for etc etc etc...

WE DO NOT WANT THESE TYPES OF RULES....if laws were broken, then penalize the law breakers... BUT WE DO NOT WANT PROPERY SIEZURES... THIS IS A SCAM...

I am no hippie, I never went to camp zoe hippie fests... I dont do drugs..... I dont need any more peace and love and all that hippie stuff and I really kind of hate the Grateful dead, I dont get it. I read the ads for these schwag stocks and thought it was probably a bust like the stupid wakaruse thing in Lawrence SO I NEVER WENT....

BUT I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING BAD IN THE PRESS ABOUT CAMP ZOE EITHER... no deaths, no overdoses, no arrests.... SO WTF??!!

I am not into the drug culture and think people who are dope heads are idiots, but I think law enforcement who is in the "business" of stealing property from supposed "bad people" who wont be convicted of a crime are bigger idiots.

If some crimminal is making tons of money doing illeagl things and then buys stuff with the crime money then maybe they can sieze that, but that does not seem to be the case here. It seems they wanted this guys to be a law enforcer on his private property and because he was not...then they can take his land? WTF? FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! THEY CAN NOT DO THAT!!!!

DO THE COPS WANT THIS TO BE THE RULE APPLIED TO THEM TOO?

First they come for the dope heads... then they come for the drunks.... then they come for the "bad parents".... then they come for the cops who shoot out windows of the squad car as they gun happy shoot at the backfiring van..... then they come for etc etc etc...

WE DO NOT WANT THESE TYPES OF RULES....if laws were broken, then penalize the law breakers... BUT WE DO NOT WANT PROPERY SIEZURES... THIS IS A SCAM...

What needs to happen?1. Jimmy fights this and a rational court properly declared the seizure law unconstitutional. 2. We need a MO law that takes away the money/property given to local law enforcement when the feds steal in this manner. or ... Local law enforcement should have their state funding cut by the amount they get from the feds (plus some) 3. local police depts who can't do their job without federal help should all be fired and replaced with a force who is competent enough to do its job.

Actaully for those of you who have never been there but have so much to say about this bliss... there's a reason for it - zoe members would rather all of you ignorant people who frown upon this magestic place to not participate with us. Because we do just fine with out your negative vibe there - It's a place to bring outdoors and human nature together as one, to wake and open up minds of those who are blind to the true essence and meanings of life = peace & love.

I dont agree with any of this but im gonna have to say that the post two above mine has to be one of the more hilarious things ive read in a while.

but yeah, its not good for the economy of central missouri, i mean cmon there are tons of mom+pop stores that live off this place. and the only reason they are doing this federally is to seize the land and profit from it. this is crazy.

The molester? Are you serious? You have more than likely never met Jimmy or been to Camp Zoe!!! There are so many music festivals all over the country that are up and running without the fear of harassment from every corner and every cop. When I go to Zoe it is a completely different world, people actually care about one another and there is nothing but heart pumping out of that place!So for all of you who have differences with Zoe, I strongly suggest actually going there first before applying stereotypes of a narrow minded asshole!

Have you even been there? Go there and tell me you still want it shut down..... Ignorance.....Try and remove your ego if you even understand what that means....

SHUT THIS SHADY PLACE DOWN AND LOCK JIMMY THE MOLESTER UP

Why wasn't the same standard applied to the DEA and other gov't agencies who operated directly and/or with knowledge of smuggling activities in South and Central America in order to finance anti-communist regimes? Read the report Sen. John Kerry did for congress and it's clear this is a double standard. Missouri is clearly a holdout for the ignorant over zealouse , fear based politicians and law enforcement gorillas. My best thoughts go out to Jimmy and Mr. Viets in this outrage! What a travesty of justice and all America stands for. Time for the guard to change ...this is treason by elected cowards as far as I can tell. I am sad today.....

So this is like a business thing with law enforcemnt, where thay want to make money, not keep us safe?

Is law enfocement like a business looking around for "Prospects" and "opportunity" and when they find something like this they can make all that money? And where does the money go exactly?

Is it now my farm (our farm) money now? becasue I think I own the government. Can anyone do this to anyone. Can I sieze your house...juts take it? and sell it and keep the money.

IS THIS THE RULES WE WANT TO LIVE BY??!!!!

This sounds more like a racket, shack down, con job, scam or mafia thing than my USA government at work.

I am very sad at the way things are going.The TSA now says it is OK to grab vaginas and penis at the airport. Road blocks for DLs are happening. This is all crazy sounding. I can not belive it is happening here, in the home of the free.

Things are not looking very free.

welcome to the new american nightmare. The government is bankrupt but they haven't told us (yet). We are in receivership and our country is being prepped for the new owners. With the military reaping about a third of the budget, we cannot be too surprised that martial practices such as asset forfeiture trump civil rights. Where was the outrage in 1984 when the government decided that property rights were an obstacle to their prosecution of the war on drugs. Incidentally, that is a misnomer. The war has never been on drugs; it has always been a war on free thinking CITIZENS. We have the government we deserve, the government that we have collectively created. We failed to learn the lesson which Nazi Germany should have taught us. The government has used the drug war to keep free thinkers stifled by fear of persecution. Sig Heil.

The messed up thing here is, no money goes to the schools. In turn, the kids get less of an education then they should and have more potential to turn into criminals later in life getting arrested by the same money that could have saved them. Thus completing the circle of BS! I think that regardless of the circumstances at Zoe, if the land is seized permanently that the money should go to the schools first! I know how badly the schools need repairs and educational materials. The walls have peeling paint and cracks and my children's teachers email me homework to print at home because they can't afford to make too many copies! Help the kids first so maybe they won't grow up to be criminals due to lack of other options!