Last Collector Standing: Ben Salyers of Shaved Women and Apop Records on Collecting, Record Store Culture at Apop and the Relationship Between Punk and Vinyl
The number of chain record stores nationwide has dwindled. However, St. Louis has become an unlikely safe haven for indie record shops as well as for DJs who prefer to spin the black circle instead of scrolling their iPods. In this weekly column, we'll focus on personal portraits of St. Louis' record aficionados and the rooms where they store their treasures. Meet the last collectors standing. (Know a collector who deserves the spotlight? E-mail us. Miss any previous ones? Read 'em all here!)
Ben Salyers, singer and frontman of St. Louis hardcore band Shaved Women, has an iconoclastic view on the culture of record collecting. It serves him well, then, that he volunteers his time at Apop Records, an epicenter of strange vinyl. The record store also doubles as his home: He lives in the lofts above the business. We met on a breezy fall afternoon in his loft apartment to talk about punk philosophy, bizarre gems found at Apop and jokingly changing his name to Ben Slayers.
Last Collector Standing With vinyl being a very important element to the hardcore scene, has your band Shaved Women ever released vinyl?
Ben Salyers: Shaved Women has a record coming out early next year. My old band Las Contras had a seven-inch recorded, everything was set up for it to be released, and then the record label pulled out at the last minute. That never got released, but sleeves got made for it, and it got mastered.
Is it important to you and your bands to put it out on a vinyl format?
For me, I like vinyl for my own personal music to be released on because it is the only format that is archival. [With] tapes, the more you play them the more they lose their electrostatic charge, and they degrade over time. I think CDs are only supposed to last 50 or 60 years before they start to rust. Whereas [with] vinyl, as long as you take good care orf it, it can last indefinitely. I also like that vinyl has larger artwork.
That's important to me, but other than that I'm more interested in getting the music out there than the format, per se.
How did you get into music in the first place?
I think, if I remember correctly, the first piece of music I bought was a Weird Al CD in second grade, which really has no relevance anymore. I got into punk and metal when I was like 11 or 12. The first thing I heard was The Misfits. From there I used Amazon; a lot of punk rock people are not particularly fond of the internet... from there I discovered Black Flag. Everything else started coming all from there. I started going to local shows pretty soon after that. I had a lot of older friends who played in bands.
What first introduced you to the Misfits?
I was at a friend's house and his sister was listening to it. I have always been into thrash metal since I was a little kid. I recognized that Metallica covered [it], but this was way cooler than the Metallica version because [it] sounds more raw. Being 12 and kind of the weird kid, a band about skulls and blood was pretty appealing.
When I was preparing for the interview I accidentally transposed the A and the L in your last name to read Ben Slayers. Have you ever considered changing your name to Slayers?
A lot of people call my Ben Slayers, or Bone Slayers, but I think nicknames are stupid. It's not something I'm really into, but I won't get mad if somebody else says that. I do love Slayer!
What's your favorite Slayer record?
Hell Awaits, or Show No Mercy is great too. Once they got signed to America records... Reign in Blood is a great album, but I think after that it goes downhill. I think their stuff on Metal Blade is a lot more interesting.
When do you first start collecting vinyl in earnest?
I bought my first record when I was 18. It was Nineteen/Rock Over London split seven-inch. I saw them a whole bunch when I was younger, and they were definitely my favorite local band. I stumbled across that and had never seen it before. So I picked that up, and it just kind of took off from there. I bought a ton of records within six months of that.
A lot of punk rock releases are only on vinyl, so there is incentive to get a record player. If you see the band there is no other way you're going to hear them unless you buy the record and have a record player at home to listen to it.
What do you think attracts punk rock to the vinyl format in this day and age?
Punk rock is kind of a social club almost, like a society on its own. With vinyl it's like the extra step of proving that it is something that you're into. In the '90s or early '00s, vinyl hadn't taken off like it has now. Things were exclusively released on vinyl then, so if you were really into it you had to get a record player to be able to listen to the stuff you wanted to get into, to prove that what you were into wasn't just a passing phase. It makes it more exclusive. I wasn't easy for an outsider to just hop in really quick.